leon21 Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 Yes 1916, nice looking helmet in good condition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lungfeaster Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Hi all, This is my great-grandfather's helmet. He was shrapnelled out of the war and became a postman. It's a bit worn but the stamp reads D/F 10. I wonder if anyone knows what the white stripe signifies? I believe the crow's foot just means it's army/British government property. There may be the very faint remains of a badge on the front as well, but it's hard to tell. Cheers guys. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 Welcome to the forum , helmet made by James Dixon & Sons Ltd of Sheffield, Steel Supplier Thomas Firth & Sons Ltd of Sheffield and Batch No 10. No idea on the white stripe, looks like it was painted another colour first? any idea were your Grandfather served during the war. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lungfeaster Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Thanks for the reply Leon. Sadly I don't know much about him at all. I happened to meet somebody who knew him once and only for a few minutes, that's all I have to go on. The helmet is my great-grandfather's, my grandad kept it hanging up on a piece of string in his shed. Strange to think the only reason I may be sat here is because of this, he wasn't born till the 1920s. Oddly enough I know my grandad was in Italy in WW2, but don't have his helmet! It does look like the white stripe might have had a blue outline originally, but it really is hard to say. Thanks again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 Nice original rimless shell made around 1915/16 going off the sandy colour it may have seen action in the Middle East Campaign, this is only a guess though, the white stripe would have been painted on post WW1 . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Question for the smart collectors here. Lately in the USA I have been finding at EST. Sales British brodies in rough shape. I know the us army bought a bunch of these from the British. Do we know what marking they have for us bought brodies. Reason I'm asking is because the find I have been find only have steel makers stamps. Making these made by these two companies: Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd Oct 1915 to Oct 1916 ( No Marks Except Steel Suppliers Mark ). Bleriot Ltd May 1916 to Oct 1916 ( No Marks Except Steel Suppliers Mark ). It seems to be a pattern. My thought was were the us bought helmets only made by these two companies? Do you know is this true? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 Welcome to the forum Shane, The US bought around 400,000 helmets from the British, most of the helmets I've seen are stamped by the many different British manufacturers of WWI, How bad a condition are these helmets you've seen, is it possible the stamp marks are hidden under layers of paint or rust? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gildwiller1918 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Hello Shane, I do not know if there are any records that show how many helmets were ordered from manufactures. A lot of records from this period are simply not around anymore. The US did initially use British made helmets, until we could get our factories going to make out own. Some collectors only collect certain heat stamps, certain makers, dates, etc. I have heard of large caches of helmets from WW1 being sold off years later that were used for civil defense roles that had markings that were similar. What region are you finding them in? Just Curious. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aef1917 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 The 400,000 helmets mentioned by Benedict Crowell and Bashford Dean is substantially less than the actual total. This was just the first batch, and records in the US National Archives show numerous further purchases from the British, even continuing into 1919, with the total number being somewhere around 1.2 million. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgee Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Hello guys, can i have questions ? Can you help me with the chinstrap marking ? I have on my Brodie helmet chinstrap with marking 44. I never seen marking like this before. Thanks for your answer. Best regards George 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted March 26, 2022 Author Share Posted March 26, 2022 Welcome to the forum George, Yes I've seen this type of chinstrap before, It's a Mark 2 type chinstrap the number could be a stores ref number,or quality control tag It's hard to say 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgee Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 On 26. 3. 2022 at 15:48, leon21 said: Vítejte na fóru Georgi, ano, tento typ podbradníku jsem již viděl, je to podbradník typu Mark 2 to číslo může být ref. číslo obchodu nebo značka kontroly kvality Těžko říct Thanks for the reply I have one more question, do you know what this marking on the African mk2 helmet means ? thanks for your time. paint is not original. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 Hi George, not seen a stamp mark on the rim before, could be a heat stamp number or a ID number? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgee Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 hours ago, leon21 said: Ahoj Georgi, ještě jsem na ráfku neviděl známku, může to být číslo tepelné známky nebo ID číslo? I have no idea, it's the first time I've ever seen marking on the rim it's really interesting for me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 Yes it's a strange one for sure, we know the Manufacturer did not mark their helmets, so has to have been stamped by someone after it was made. I don't think we will ever know for sure why it was done, still a nice looking helmet. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgee Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, leon21 said: Yes it's a strange one for sure, we know the Manufacturer did not mark their helmets, so has to have been stamped by someone after it was made. I don't think we will ever know for sure why it was done, still a nice looking helmet. Thanks for this information, Leon. I appreciate that 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallibag Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 I’ve had this helmet shell for awhile but have never been quite sure what it is, exactly. Rimless, with no sign a rim has ever been fitted. Appears to have originally been painted a light green colour, and later with textured khaki. Has Hadley Steel HS49 heat stamp, but with the H over the S, rather than side-by-side, as usually seen. Also stamped “Trent” - owner’s name? Has later style, larger bales, but these could be replacements. Will be interested to know what you think! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 Welcome to the forum Hallibag, nice original WWI rimless shell made by Hadfields Ltd of Sheffield 1915-1919, the HS marks are correct the H was over the S on these early shells painted light green. The larger bales are also original, the only thing missing is the liner and chin strap, I agree the stamp TrenT is most likely the name of the owner who had the helmet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallibag Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, leon21 said: Welcome to the forum Hallibag, nice original WWI rimless shell made by Hadfields Ltd of Sheffield Thank you so much, Leon21. So, this is an early (1916?) rimless helmet. Would it have been private purchase, probably by an officer? I can’t imagine the army approving troops stamping their names into issued equipment…. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted April 11, 2022 Author Share Posted April 11, 2022 Yes early 1915, it's unclear when but some time later in 1916 improvements were made, a formed rim was added to the outer brim and a new liner was added, they were also painted in a non reflective Kharki-Sand Paint. Some rimless shells were reused painted and fitted with the new liner, looking at your helmet I would say it was reused. It's not uncommon for soldiers to mark their helmets with their names, don't think it would have been a private purchase helmet. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallibag Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 Okay, thanks again Leon21. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Walt Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Hello, Hello, I just joined yesterday because I inherited a helmet from my dad. I would like to find out what it actually is and was hoping someone could help me. Based on the forum information, I think it's a British helmet. Thank you for your time!! Dennis (Wiley Walt) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallibag Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Welcome to the forum, Dennis. You have a nice British Mk.II helmet, made by Rubery Owen Co. in 1940. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Walt Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Hi Hallibag, Thank you for the information, I really appreciate it!! I don't know if this would be the place to ask this but would you have an idea of the value if I were to sell it? Have a good day!!! Dennis 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 Welcome Dennis, nice looking helmet in good overall condition, I would look on some of the selling sites to get an idea of how much they are selling for and in what condition they are in. I have a Rubery Owen & C0 of Leeds Helmet I bought a good few years ago which cost me over £100 then. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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