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Here's another HV stamped helmet that has been paint stamped with the soldiers name and id number on the inside rim. Photo from other sources.
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Looking at the helmets posted in the American Brodie section I've noticed that all YJ stamped helmets have the same flattened rivets as do helmets with the ZE stamps and some with the ( ZD stamps but not all ) so this is down to different Manufacturing methods of flattening the rivet ends in some Manufacturers than others by the looks of it.
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Welcome to the forum Tony, possibly repaired in the field hence the rough finish on the rivets?
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I have a American Brodie helmet but the rivers look different then most that I’ve seen and they aren’t the British split pin. Does anybody know why
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Glad the powder did the trick, I've seen painted numbers on some helmet shells before, no idea why they would put them there as once the felt pad and liner are fitted you would not see them, could be these were added post war?
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Here is a early pattern Dayfield, from 1916, the so-called heavy model. It included a neck guard as well. (photo source, internet) -
The British also had the Dayfield Shields, of which several variants were made. They mainly consisted of manganese alloy plates linked together, wrapped in a canvas carrying sheath. The first picture shows the armor without the sheath. The second photo shows the khaki colored cloth sheath. From what I could find, over 20,000 sets were in use as of October 1917 in France. (photo source, internet)
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One of the first types of armor available to British forces was the so called Franco-British pattern as it was made in France and sold to the British. It was a flexible pattern of plates linked together and was made to worn under the tunic. It was relatively lightweight and offered protection from low velocity shrapnel and splinters. Against rifle and pistol fire, it was next to useless. It had one third the strength of the standard British steel helmet. Although it offered little real protection, it sold fairly well among the ranks. (photo source, internet)
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Here is the US model 2 experimental helmet, designed in the summer of 1917. The crest had a ridge that was thought to better deflect incoming fire and was based upon classical Greek and Italian designs. It was very comfortable to wear and well balanced, the only downside it seems was that it was difficult to manufacture. Several companies tried to make these helmets, but the dies and metal used produced many defects. Only a few thousand were produced in the fall of 1918. (photo source, internet)
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Here is the US model 9 experimental helmet, designed for machine gunners. No ballistics tests were done, however a second model was theorized to make it impenetrable to bullets, however the weight was expected to be over 20 pounds! (photo source, internet)
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US experimental model number 6, this model was designed to be tilted forward as needed to protect the face, however this caused balancing issues. No in depth testing was done and the project was scrapped. (photo source, internet)
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US model 8 experimental helmet, made by the Ford motor company, which produced about 1,300 specimens. It weighed 3 pounds, 10 ounces and offered good protection while allowed good visibility and movement. These helmets were made towards the end of the war and never saw service. (photo source, internet)
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Here is the US model number 7 sentinel helmet. It was designed to be worn in areas where heavy activity was to be expected and for short periods only. It was designed from 15th century helmets, and very much looked the part. A few were sent to France for trials and they proved successful in stopping rifle fire, but were considered too heavy. I can't imagine the headache one would have after a bullet striking that. (photo source, internet)
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Here are the shin guards, the M1917 model. Records show that about 35,000 sets of these were made for the troops, these sets weighed 12 ounces. The protection offered was deemed insufficient to the extra weight carried by the troops and no real field trials were conducted. Most if not all of these were made overseas, mainly in France. (photo source, internet)
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Here is what the US military envisioned their forces equipped with state of the art personal body armor and unique model number 5 helmet. The chest and back armor had plates that were linked together to allow for decent movement. The arms were completed enveloped on the outside, and there was also a knee and shin version as well. The helmet was from a series of experimental models starting at number 1 and going to 15. The Liberty bell version (there were 3 variants of this as well) was the only one that was produced in decent numbers, but was not liked by the troops and it was withdrawn from service. second image shows the armor minus the gear.
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Hey All Thank you all so much for your help. I used the powder and that did the trick a very faint HV appeared. I've tried taking a photograph of it but my camera (as previously seen) is really quite naff. Its brilliant to know where this came from. Does anyone have any ideas on the painted numbers on the inside?
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Gildwiller1918 replied to Gildwiller1918's topic in Photos and Paperwork
Nice close up of an Austrian NCO, his tresse and stars indicate a rank of Stabsfeldwebel, or possibly a Stabsfeuerwerker, it is hard to tell as the colored background of the collar patches dictate what the rank name was. For example if it is red it would be Stabsfeuerwerker. If dark red it would be Stabsfeldwebel or Stabswachtmeister. Regardless, of the rank, he has been decorated with the Iron Cross 2nd class, and what looks like the Tapferkeits Medaille which was a medal awarded to NCO's for bravery, and the second one I cannot tell. Nice view of the Austrian belt buckle as well. -
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Gildwiller1918 replied to Gildwiller1918's topic in Photos and Paperwork
Here is a nice photo of Austrian troops manning a Schwarzlose MG 07/15 heavy machine gun. This was the main heavy machine gun for the Austro-Hungarians during the war, although they used many other types. The cloth ammo belts typically held 250 rounds. -
Welcome Swampygibbo, I've copied and enhanced your image and blown it up but still can't make out the letter above the heat number, Looking at the stamp mark style it could be a HV stamp mark which would be W.Hutton & Sons Manufacture/Vickers Steel Supplier, You could try rubbing some talc/baby powder over the marks or lightly rubbing with wet and dry sandpaper or fine wire wool to enhance the marks.
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Hello swampygibbo, Welcome to the forum. First of all, the helmet is a British make, not a US one. The easiest way to tell is look how the bales that held the chinstrap. The British types used a split pin as shown in your photo. The US types used a rivet (see image below). I can see a heat stamp on the out rim, this is on the underside. Can you provide some close ups? If we can read this stamp, it's possible we can tell you more information.
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Very nice Gwar, could you let the members know a little history about the the Emsland cuff title and it's award criteria.
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Welcome to the forum Swampygibbo, Leon and Gildwilder are the British and US Brodie helmet specialists, I'm sure they will be able to help.
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Hello all Can anyone tell me the age of this or if it's British or US? I've had a read of the thread on identification (really good by the way) but i think the numbers may be too worn for my eyes . (Think it says 201 with maybe a H above it.) Plus has anyone ever seen the painted numbers inside before? If so what can they tell us about this?
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