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Welcome to the forum Kenneth, the helmet could have been made by Miris Steel Co Ltd of London who made them from 1916-1918. There should be a letter M before the LS for MLS which is one of the stamp marks they used. On page 1 of this post there is a photo of a MLS mark I recently uploaded has the same logo but very faint so hard to read the letters, the 18 being the batch number of steel used.

I have a magnetic brodie with green sand finish, the base layer seems to be a smooth greenish/grey, with same green overpaint.! It has a 1917 liner with doughnut.! It is stamped with MYЯRYS logo then LS 18

Not so long ago there were still many of these on the market, since I bought my only example, they seem to have suddenly got scarcer. The badges for the weibliche Mitglieder are usually more expensive, but seem to be slightly more abundant than the men's issue presently. Has become a more expensive item in the last couple of years, I got my example for 25-30 Euros as far as I remember. Particularly interested in Niederdonau, especially around Tulln. The other insignia, headdress and uniforms are also interesting By the way, the second "T" is missing from Dienststellenabzeichen in your text! Just for the record.

Hi Jack, I've found several Vero liners for the same year all with different numbers so I would say they are batch numbers. Here are a few numbers I've seen 359, 10,and 468.

Karin Freyer, Schlagerstar. Karin lives on the outskirts of Hamburg, met recently, had never heard of her before.

Hello, My name is Gwar. I am a member of a few forums and my area of collecting is the Reichsarbeitdienst, I have knowledge of belt buckles ( Most branches ) TR as well. I hope to be able to help others along my journey and learn as well. The "Dienststellenabzeichen" is the official term for arm shield utilized by the RAD and was produced using different materials depending on officers, general officer and commissioned/ non commissioned staff. That will be another discussion soon if needed. These "Shields" are grouped by Abt. number ie; 1-242 rather than Gau. number 242-1. if this needs an explination please ask for a more in depth thread. Also they are identified by Arbeitsgau number, abteilungen and area. I have withheld honor names at this time.. Again, another thread.. Some of the hundreds that exsited. Enjoy.. G

Intresting, as you have seen a 10 I reckon that my second one is 56 then and is not missing another digit but rather doesn’t need one. Is there any information on how many helmets/liners were in a batch? Or how many batches were completed a year? Thanks for all the help, Jack

It might be, personally I think it looks more like a 5 than a 3. However it could easily be either and as it is not a clear at least another vero example is needed to draw conclusions on wether it is a marker number or batch number.

That could be the same number as your other Vero liner 536 Jack.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, I can only find the symbol on one other of my helmet liners. It’s on another Everett.W.Vero & co liner and it is only a partial stamp. The first digit is not there and the second one only part visible, it could be either a 3 or a 5 with the last digit being a 6, so another clear example is needed. Thanks again, Jack 1st photo: The partial mark 2nd photo: The other makers details

The Christmas Market in Hamburg, this one from 2013

This is the music group ElbRock (Hamburg). It started around 2002 when some colleagues and old friends got together and started this group. They travelled frequently but also appeared in various localities in Hamburg. Earnings were not great considering it was only a part time thing, but usually covered the expenses. Among the colleagues is Nicole as lead singer, the granddaughter of Walter Neusüß, she is second from the left. This photo was taken in the port some time ago. Nicole is no longer with the group and has taken on new challenges. https://www.popularmusik-nordkirche.de/musikgruppen/gruppen/elbrock/ Here a short article about the group. http://www.elbrock-hamburg.de/cms/wordpress/ This is the homepage of the group, which still plays, Nicole's picture is still on the page. and this is the present repertoire, this may have changed somewhat since Nicole left: Baby Please Don’t Go Big Joe Williams Bad Moon Rising Creedence Clearwater Revival Blink Paul Weller Blue Suede Shoes Elvis Blues Hand Me Down Vintage Trouble Bobby Brown Frank Zappa Cats in the Cradle Johnny Cash C’mon Everybody Eddy Cochran Cocaine J.J. Cale/Eric Clapton Creep Stone Temple Pilots Darts Of Pleasure Franz Ferdinand Heartbreak Hotel Elvis Honky Tonk Woman Rolling Stones Hound Dog Elvis Jailhouse Rock Elvis Jaqueline Franz Ferdinand Johnny Be Goode Chuck Berry La Grange ZZ Top Like A Rolling Stone Bob Dylan Little Wing Jimi Hendrix Losing My Religion REM Loveshaker John Watts Man On The Moon REM Meds Placebo Money For Nothing Dire Straits Plush Stone Temple Pilots Proud Mary Creedence Clearwater Revival Radio Nowhere Bruce Springsteen Riders on the Storm The Doors Roll Over Beethoven Chuck Berry Rosie ACDC Should I stay or should I Go The Clash Since I’ve been loving you Led Zeppelin Sissy Strut The Meters Small Paradise John Mellenkamp Sweet Home Chicago Blues Brothers Sultans Of Swing Dire Straits Sunflower Paul Weller The Passenger Iggy Pop The One I Love REM The Wind Cries Mary Jimi Hendrix Thunder On The Mountain Bob Dylan Under The Bridge Red Hot Chilly Peppers Who Did You Think I Was John Mayer Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd Wonderwall Noel Gallagher You Wreck Me Tom Petty "Bullitreffen" at Autohaus Raffay, 20.05.2006 Consortium, Hamburg-Harburg, 14.08.2009 Musik Club Live, Hamburg, 17.10.2008 Auerhahn, Wandsbek, 26.10.2007. "Auerhahn" has since been demolished, and the site has been built over.

Several more Seventies hits and nostalgic pictures added further back between beginning and end of article. Alstervergnügen in Hamburg, annual event late August The Alstervergnügen was an annual event at the end of August, originally conceived and organised by Carlheinz Hollmann and his wife, Gerti Daub, who was Miss Germany in 1957. C.H. Hollmann died in early 2004. A couple of years ago, the event was called off, and has not restarted since. The Stuttgarter Weinfest in Hamburg, which had also been taking place in July and August for well over 30 years has also been abolished for similar reasons - security.

Some more old pictures from the 1970s added, see page 1 of topic, and another couple of ABBA oldies

Another one posted with Katja Ebstein (see there), Der Stern von Mykonos (1983) As for the "hairy armpits" of Nena, I think this is generally out now. That was in the times when "Frau" preferred to be "Natur" rather than "Frau rasiert", no make-up, little cosmetic, just normal hygiene, but mostly cleaner than the present generation. And here's an entirely different one with Vicky Leandos, married as Freifrau von Ruffin (and since divorced but still enjoying her title and privleges) and living at Gut Basthorst not far from Hamburg: Die Bouzouki klang durch die Sommernacht (1973) with the spirit of Greece and a melodious air.

Another one from yesterday

This one rocks, Berlin Heidi Brühl from 1969

Here's another one from those days - and again, from 1976, seems improved and another couple of 70s hits from the Blue Satellite Disco on the 24th floor of CP Hamburg Plaza Hotel: This was also a popular one with Santana...late at night, early morning, near closing

CP Canadian Pacific HAMBURG PLAZA HOTEL, 1976, die drei Grazien von der Telefonzentrale, Brigitte Farin, Almut Milani (Ochsner) und Gaby Franciscos, three collegues of mine during the day, I worked nightshift, from 23.00 till 7.00 am. Brigitte came from East Prussia (Südmasuren) after the war, Almut had a mother from East Prussia, and Gaby was from Hamburg. The disc jockey in the "Blue Satellite" bar & disco in the 24th floor, was Andrew Lee from Middlesex. The General Manager at the time was Albert Elovic, originally from Prague, a Canadian citizen, he died later as manager of CP Jerusalem Plaza. During the war, he had spent some years in Auschwitz. The night manager was Horst Jansen, from Bremen, who lived a few years in South Africa. At the far side, a view from the large window over the rear of Dammtorbahnhof. C.P. Manager Albert Elovic (r.) Fritz at night shift in the Telefonzentrale of CP Hamburg Plaza from 23.00 - till 7.00, this photo from Autumn 1975. Another pleasant colleague at the switchboard, Christine Kanitz grew up in Italy and Switzerland Another photo at the switchboard, Marja Kunst from Holland, Christine Kanitz, Disc Jockey Andrew Lee and Inger-Lisa Böje von Denmark The staff with Master Technician Herrn Carolak (alter Ostpreuße) from T & N Telefonbau. Disc Jockey Andrew Lee can hardly keep his eyes off little Marja: Andrew was a splendid chap, BA in music, etc. and just like one of those officer types in the Charge of The Light Brigade, he lived on coffee, Johnny Walker and Dunhill cigarettes, and his old man piloted a Spitfire during the Battle of Britain. another colleague: 1975-1977, she turned out to be more than a colleague, Gudrun M. from Wandsbek Gudrun in the year 2000. We met again in Riewend/Brandenburg, and a few times again in East Berlin. It was a brief encounter. She now has a new partner and a house 30 km from Schwerin. Susanne Kratzmann lived in the Richardstraße in Hamburg, she worked nights on the switchboard in Hotel Intercontinental, Fontenoy, near the Alster. Her grandfather served in Pionier-Bataillon 10 in Minden. She now lives in Hildesheim. Marie Chantal The new telephonist from America, September 1977 A visit to Copenhagen-Glostrup, February 1976. Fritz, Gitte Jensen and Jean-Paul Bruni (+ 1977) from Geneva. Those were the days, travelled from Hamburg to Glostrup in Jean-Paul's Fiat 500 with a Geneva number plate CH. Gitte was rather surprised to see us when we turned up. A great time was had by all and sundry and a lot to be seen in Köbenhavn. Departure from Glostrup Barbara, Kew Gardens, London, May 1974 Richmond Park, May 1974 Richmond Park, July 1974 Magdeburg, DDR, passing through, August 1972 Berlin, Friedrichstrasse, August 1972 Berlin, Unter den Linden, August 1972, note the uniformed men... Tiergarten, Westberlin, August 1972 Weiße Flotte, Berlin-Wannsee, August 1972 Le Touquet Paris Plage, Pas de Calais, August 1970 Le Touquet, Paris Plage, pas de Calais, August 1970 Le Touquet, August 1970 Back yard uniform photo ca. 1968 Saint Briac, Bretagne, August 1964

An old photo from the ABBA days - camping in Sweden - where everyone can camp anywhere free for one day. Summer 1976 on the edge of Vänersjö, near Skara, Middle Sweden. On the left, Antonio Frangione (ja, ein echter Itaker), to the right, Fritz. Was a great holiday, strung up around the tent an array of international flags, which we found near Niendorf, before boarding the Ferry for Göteborg. Was a great holiday indeed, toured all around central Sweden, visiting a few old friends. This was taken by the local press photographer of Skaraborgs Tidninger, we were something of a local sensation in the area. Note, the Prussian WW1 buckle and Pfadfindermesser (ident to HJ Messer) Fritz is wearing. The newspaper had in its next headlines: Skaraborgs Tidninger Tysker campare av en slump på Simsjön! Alter Schwede! Skara, view of the Cathedral, opposite a Provincial Royal Palace A souvenir from Sweden in miniature, Runenstein from Norra Åsarp, Västergötland from Viking times

Dont't cry for me Argentinia is a great song, Evita also had Third Reich connotations. This is my favorite song from the musical, sung by David Essex, I don't think he had any Third Reich connections but he was discovered by the Kray Twins.

and here's another great one, Katja Ebstein - Wolf Fengler (East Berlin freelance photographer and a friend of mine) also had exclusive rights for her photos and covers in the DDR. Katja sings here: "Dont't cry for me Argentinia..." She first became known through the Eurovision Song Contest in 1970. Her first apearance in the DDR was in the TV show "Ein Kessel Buntes" in 1972. Photo: original cover by V.E.B. Amiga Schallplattenvertrieb, there were also cassettes Most of public appearances were at the Friedrichstadtpalast (photo). Katja has been very much involved with charitable projects in third world countries for several years and is now in her early 70s. She also took an active part in protests against the Irak War along with other artists.

Here's another one that brings back old memories 1976 - with Marianne Rosenberg, singing "Lieder der Nacht..." I remember this in my younger days when working nights at CP Hamburg Plaza Hotel - live from the disco in the 24th floor, "Blauer Satellit". Years later, Wolf Fengler had exclusive rights in East Berlin for fotos for her LP covers for performances in East Berlin, with VEB Amiga Schallplattenvertrieb Another great one by Marianne Rosenberg, Marleen.. Udo Jürgens, an Austrian singer, whose family originated from Bremen, he a former member of the HJ, sings, "Und immer wieder geht die Sonne auf..." His last concert, Zürich, 2014, he died on 21. December 2014. Next song (negsd zong!) : "Ich war noch niemals in New York..." .. and Griechischer Wein - a very popular Hit and Udo when he was younger, 1984

Very interesting, definite similarity, ABBA is remembered, the other group has almost disappeared from memory. Let's not forget where all these people came from orginally, from the "High North" or Hoher Norden, the homeland and origin of all the Germanic peoples, who wandered from Scandinavia - did you know, Scandinavia is also the origin of the Germans? Around two thousand years ago there was the Völkerwanderung with masses of tribes heading south in the direction of Italy, those who remained in what is now known as present day Germany, gave it their name (by the Romans) as "Germanien". This had previously been populated by Celtic and Slavic peoples, who then withdrew westwards (the Slavs more eastwards) and in all other directions, and whose traces can be found in Iberia, Brittany, Cornwall, Wales and Ireland, etc. Archaeological finds such as the "Keltenschatz" at Manching near Munich, and also finds relating to the "Hallstatt-Kultur" (Hallstatt, Austria) of the bronze age period give more than insight to this. The Scots are supposed to be related to the Goten from Sweden. The Goten or "Goths" have also left their traces in Spain, Austria, North Africa and Asia Minor - Byzantine Empire (now Turkey), Southern Russia - Ukraine and Krim - there were the Westgoten und Ostgoten, who made off in these respective directions. Anni-Frid, originally from Norway, also had a father from the German occupation. In postwar Norway such children were discrimated as "Tyskerbarna", so she later moved to Sweden. She met her father for the first time many years later. She later married Prinz Heinrich "Ruzzo" Reuß von Plauen, +1999. Wikipedia quote: As the war ended, the children and their mothers were made outcasts by many among the general populace in formerly occupied countries, as societies grieved and resented the losses of the war, and actively rejected everything associated with Germany. The children and their mothers were often isolated socially, and many children were bullied by other children, and sometimes by adults, due to their origin.[citation needed] For instance, immediately after the peace, 14,000 women were arrested in Norway on suspicion of "collaboration" or association with the enemy; 5,000 were, without any judiciary process, placed in forced labor camps for a year and a half.[3] Their heads were shaved, and they were beaten and raped.[3][4] In an interview for the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter, war children claim that, while living at an orphanage in Bergen, they were forced as children to parade on the streets so the local population could whip them and spit at them.[3] In a survey conducted by the Norwegian Ministry of Social Affairs in 1945, the local government in one third of the counties expressed an unfavorable view of the war children. The same year the Ministry of Social Affairs briefly explored the possibility of reuniting the children and their mothers with surviving fathers in post-war Germany, but decided against this.[citation needed] Five hundred children who were still cared for in Lebensborn facilities at the end of the war had to leave as the homes were closed down. Some children were left to state custody, during a time when such care was marked by strict rules, insufficient education, and abuse. Approximately 20 children ended up in a mental institution in 1946, due to lack of space in other institutions and unsuccessful adoption attempts. Some remained there past their eighteenth birthdays.[citation needed] Due to the political attitudes prevailing after the end of the war, the Norwegian government made proposals to forcibly deport 8000 children and their mothers to Germany, but there were concerns that the deportees would have no means of livelihood there. Another option was to send them to Sweden. Australia was also considered after the Swedish government declined to accept these people; the Norwegian government later shelved such proposals.[5] Alfred Haase, 1919-2009 Some Swedish hits from 1976

Strange you should mention Abba, they were actually inspired by Middle of the Road. Here is an article from the Sunday Post just written a couple of months ago. Thank you for the music: How Scots band Middle Of The Road inspired Abba The Sunday Post, 15 July 2018 SWEDISH supergroup Abba were propelled to global domination inspired by the Scots music-makers behind Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep. The largely forgotten Middle Of The Road band remain best known for their big hit but singer Sally Carr has revealed how the Swedes were fans. She has told a BBC documentary charting the Scottish music scene that Abba singer Agnetha Faltskog had recorded cover versions of their tunes in Swedish. And, she claims, Abba song-writers Björn Ulvaeus and Benny Andersson admit Middle Of The Road’s sound was an inspiration. Launched in 1967 by Carr, drummer Ken Andrew, guitarist Ian McCredie and his brother Eric McCredie, the band had moved to Italy before scoring chart success in 1970. Their other hits included Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum and Sacramento but they split up before Abba won the Eurovision Song Contest in 1974 with Waterloo, the first hit in a world-conquering reign at the top. Sally Carr Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep was No 1 for five weeks in 1971 but, appearing in the Rip It Up documentary, to be shown on Tuesday, Sally said: “We had hit singles all over the world, in Japan, South America, Singapore and 10 in Europe. “In Britain we made the Guinness Book of Records with Chirpy for being the longest single in the top 100. It was there for a year. We were on Top Of The Pops five times. It was Tony Blackburn who interviewed us the first time. He actually thought we were Italian. Ken turned round and said to him: ‘Don’t be stupid, we’re Scottish’.” “Agnetha covered two of our hits in Swedish, before she joined Abba. And the two boys Benny and Bjorn, on live television interview, said that they used our sound as a guide for their sound. “Your grannies and your mums and dads, and your wee tots know Chirpy. “They might not remember the name of the group, but by God do they remember the name of Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep. “And I always laugh and say, ‘Yeah, I’m chirpy, but I’m not cheap.’” Here is the original version of Union Silver

The lady reminds me a bit of ABBA Svensk Toppar star Agnetha Fältskog, and those long gone days spent in Sweden..... tiden som går, Vad tiden går fort! Här är ditt liv med Dancing Kvinnor

Looks good, I always wanted to go to the Oktoberfest. Talking about German music, here is my uncle Ken Andrew, he is playing the drums in his band Middle of the Road.They were much bigger in Germany than they were here, his band had that sort of Euro sound.

Here's an annual event in Hamburg-Wandsbek - Wandsbeker Wiesn: https://www.oktoberfest-hamburg.de/

Yes it is entertaining, it reminds me of when I was at school and used to go on holiday to Gran Canaria with my parents. The island was always full of Germans and I used to wander around the bars which all played this type of music. I met an old German at one bar who served on the Eastern front, I asked if he had anything left and he said he did, he gave me his address and I wrote to him, in his reply he said he had several items left including a Hitler bust. For some reason I didn't reply to his letter, I think I had just discovered girls, motorbikes and alcohol. I remember his arm was very crushed looking, I asked what had happened and he just said 'Der Krieg' I often wished I had kept in contact. I think I might have a photo of him somewhere in a box in one of my cupboards. Here's another good one, I like her yodeling

You could do worse, some of it is really entertaining (light entertainment!) See also further additions to above texts.

Und noch einmal weil es so schön war! Stimmungskanone Ischgl - Party pur. In fact, if you are skiing from Ischgl, you can take the route over the border to Samnaun on the Swiss side - and duty free (!) No customs to worry about! You will then have to take the Postbus back, which is covered by your ski pass. Great fun, and you are there in about one and a half hours. The bus back takes about half an hour.

Ischgl in Tirol, a stonethrow away from the neighbouring border town of Samnaun, and one of the most expensive skiing resorts Ischgl, the resort Popular melody, often heard on the car radio while driving down to the mountains Edith Buchner und Andreas Beirith Adele Montoya Iris R., who was of jewish blood, had an iconic profile, almost classical, her father nicknamed her "die Fromme Helene", all ended in time before the situation got too dangerous, she had a limited sense of humour, and her mother, who was jewish, could be unbearable at times. Seefeld/Tirol, December 1988 Kneissl, one of the foremost makers of Skis and equipment in AVSTRIA, the firm was in difficulties just a few years back. Innsbruck, December 1988 Neuschwanstein, December 1988 and "Kini" (König Ludwig) still watches over Neuschwanstein Walddörfer Reiterverein, Volksdorf, Autumn 1990 Holiday in Zyprus, August 1991 Summer in Cyprus, August 1991 - a unique encounter, Fritz on far right Antje , * 14.11.1943 - 21.6.2019 + Santorini The last skiing holiday in Hovden/Norway in March 1996. It was dark and bitter cold, not like the Alps Großensee / Holstein, 1997 with Tanja Melosch. Easter 2002, Grabauer See, Sülfeld/Ostholstein. DJ Ötzi & Nik P. - Ein Stern (der deinen Namen trägt).mp3 DJ Ötzi - Ein Stern, der deinen Namen trägt... Lionel Richie - My destiny.wma

Yes, always liked this - Après Ski und Hüttenabend High Life in Ischgl, Tirol, was here several times many years ago - this one is a bit too "gogo" and Ischgl, "Trophana Alm"

I'm quite impressed with this group

My god Fritz you have got me into Schlager music

As a comparison, Andrea Berg - Kurpark Grömitz, 2001