LACKIE14 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 what was it james coburn said in cross of iron i'll show you where the iron crosses grow? knowing me thats more than likely misquoted. i'm waiting in hope that some one will upload a picture of their KC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I assume the 1914 non-combatants is a replacement ribbon? If so, is there provenance for it having an original ribbon once? Reason asking is I quite like the non combatant ribbons, I have a 1870/71 war medal in steel for non-combatants and it is nice bc in steel you know it was issued as such (brass went to troops). With only the ribbon different I'd like to think an Iron Cross did go to a non-combatant, but if replaced feel there is always the high likelihood a dealer switched the ribbons to add value to an item that never had that purpose. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LACKIE14 Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 I assume the 1914 non-combatants is a replacement ribbon? If so, is there provenance for it having an original ribbon once? Reason asking is I quite like the non combatant ribbons, I have a 1870/71 war medal in steel for non-combatants and it is nice bc in steel you know it was issued as such (brass went to troops). With only the ribbon different I'd like to think an Iron Cross did go to a non-combatant, but if replaced feel there is always the high likelihood a dealer switched the ribbons to add value to an item that never had that purpose. genuine piece of ribbon, don't know if it was replaced in the past thats the way i purchased from kenny. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 genuine piece of ribbon, don't know if it was replaced in the past thats the way i purchased from kenny. ahhh THAT non combatant iron cross from kenny! you beat me to him for it way back! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 even the most innocent looking items???? it truly is a mine field The most common items will be most faked... look at it this way, a bottle cap is cheap and easy to produce by the thousands. Flood the market with them, make them cheap that you'll buy one thinking it may be legit, make a killing and have something like a bottle cap that is semi believable and it slowly slips into the collecting world it could be real and they start becoming collectors search for, raising prices... the perfect con for collectors 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr bridger Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 what was it james coburn said in cross of iron i'll show you where the iron crosses grow? knowing me thats more than likely misquoted. i'm waiting in hope that some one will upload a picture of their KC Here it is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Very nice Mr B, Iv'e only ever come across one before if I remember correctly doesn't the Swastika move slightly upwards if pushed with the thumb. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LACKIE14 Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 Here it is. absolutely beautiful piece i could look at this all day. one day mate, going to copy your pics if you don't mind , a nice thing to aim for 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF635SQ Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 wow... I think this is a collectors dream of owning! Stunning medal Mr. B Some fetch more than what my Jeep is worth at the moment You are incredibly lucky to own one of these, i can only sit here and stare at your's, I will never own a real one in my life 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr bridger Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 absolutely beautiful piece i could look at this all day. one day mate, going to copy your pics if you don't mind , a nice thing to aim for Feel free to use the pics and thank you for everyones kind comments. The recipiant of my rk was SS Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Polizei Curt von Gottberg. Award date 30-6-1944. The maker of the RK is KQ 800 65. Gottberg committed suicide on May 9th 1945 as he would have been given a death sentence at his trial for his anti partisan activities. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Nice medal. A great crowning piece to a collection. Nice to know its history, a high ranking officer. At least he realised and admitted his guilt by his action on 9/5. What unit(s) was he attached to or in command of? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 very nice Mr B 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Nice medal. A great crowning piece to a collection. Nice to know its history, a high ranking officer. At least he realised and admitted his guilt by his action on 9/5. What unit(s) was he attached to or in command of? SS Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Polizei (1944), second highist rank in the German Riech under Himmler. In charge of Kampfgruppe. Von. Gottberg, would have a representative from polizei, gestapo, consentration camps deaths head units waffen-ss ,security services ect. He was Deputy SSPF Ruthenia ( Belarus Nov 1942 ), from the summer of 1941 Belarus was occupied by the German Army. The German occupation resulted in great material destruction, and the death of 25% of the population, including almost the entire jewish population of the country. Belarus was from 1941 the cornerstone of Soviet Partisan Warfare against the German occupiers, to more than 1,000 Partisan groups. By the end of 1943 the country was conquered by the Red Army, and by the summer of 1944 was fully exempt from German occupation. Special battalion SS Dirlewanger, and the Kaminski Brigade were part of Kampfgruppe. Von. Gottberg, The Kaminski Brigade ( known as the 29th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division. consisted of the SS Grenadier Regiment 72 (Russian 1) SS " " " 73 (Russian 2 ) SS " " " 74 (Russian 3 ) SS Artillery Regiment 29 (Russian 1 ) SS Fusilier Battalion 29 SS Engineer Battalion 29 SS Tank Destroyer Div 29 SS Division News 29 SS Supply Regiment 29 SS Veterinary Comp 29 SS Medical Comp 29 SS Field Replacement Battalion 29. The Special Battalion Dirlewanger..........Became in Feb 1945 the 36th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division. consisting of the.........Waffen-SS Grenadier Regiment 72 " SS " " " 73 SS Artillery Division 36 SS Fusilier Company 36 SS Company News 36 Army Troops Pioneer Brigade 687 Grenadier Regiment 1244 Heavy Panzerjager-Abteilung 681 Panzer Division 1 Stahnsdorf. Curt. Von Gottberg. became HSSPF ( Central Russia 5th July 43 - 7th August 44. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Here's a couple of photo's. 1st photo of Kaminski in 1944. 2nd photo of members of the waffen-SS including soldiers of the Special Battalion Dirlewanger in Warsaw. Both the Kaminski Brigade and the Dirlewanger Battalion were sent to help put down the Warsaw uprising. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr bridger Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 SS Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Polizei (1944), second highist rank in the German Riech under Himmler. In charge of Kampfgruppe. Von. Gottberg, would have a representative from polizei, gestapo, consentration camps deaths head units waffen-ss ,security services ect. He was Deputy SSPF Ruthenia ( Belarus Nov 1942 ), from the summer of 1941 Belarus was occupied by the German Army. The German occupation resulted in great material destruction, and the death of 25% of the population, including almost the entire jewish population of the country. Belarus was from 1941 the cornerstone of Soviet Partisan Warfare against the German occupiers, to more than 1,000 Partisan groups. By the end of 1943 the country was conquered by the Red Army, and by the summer of 1944 was fully exempt from German occupation. Special battalion SS Dirlewanger, and the Kaminski Brigade were part of Kampfgruppe. Von. Gottberg, The Kaminski Brigade ( known as the 29th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division. consisted of the SS Grenadier Regiment 72 (Russian 1) SS " " " 73 (Russian 2 ) SS " " " 74 (Russian 3 ) SS Artillery Regiment 29 (Russian 1 ) SS Fusilier Battalion 29 SS Engineer Battalion 29 SS Tank Destroyer Div 29 SS Division News 29 SS Supply Regiment 29 SS Veterinary Comp 29 SS Medical Comp 29 SS Field Replacement Battalion 29. The Special Battalion Dirlewanger..........Became in Feb 1945 the 36th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division. consisting of the.........Waffen-SS Grenadier Regiment 72 " SS " " " 73 SS Artillery Division 36 SS Fusilier Company 36 SS Company News 36 Army Troops Pioneer Brigade 687 Grenadier Regiment 1244 Heavy Panzerjager-Abteilung 681 Panzer Division 1 Stahnsdorf. Curt. Von Gottberg. became HSSPF ( Central Russia 5th July 43 - 7th August 44. Cheers leon, meant to get round to putting the info up but never got round to it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 A customer was in on Saturday with his Knights Cross swords and Oakleaves , never handled one with Oakleaves before, I think Richard took a photo of it, will try to get hold of the picture 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr bridger Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Swords and oaks that would have been a pleasure to handle lucky guy. post pics up soon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Just spotted these items. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Heres a closer view of his partisan badge.. This belong to Curt von Gottberg also. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Here is the picture of the Knights Cross which a customer showed us a few weeks ago and Richard took the photo of,also his pilots badge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr bridger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Very nice, would like to see close up to find out the maker . Oaks with swords would have liked to have seen them not many around, Pilot's badge also are they all from the same recipiant ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Hi Scott, sorry that is the only photo we have , but here is a picture of him wearing it. Major Erich Rudorffer, born 1 November 1917 is a German former Luftwaffe fighter ace, one of a handful who served with the Luftwaffe through the whole of World War II.He is the 7th most successful fighter pilot in the history of air warfare, and currently both the oldest jet fighter ace, and the most successful ace still living. Rudorffer claimed a total of 222 victories,fighting in all the major German theaters of war, including the European and Mediterranean Theatre of Operations and the Eastern Front. During the war he flew more than 1000 combat missions, was engaged in aerial combat over 300 times, was shot down by flak and enemy fighters 16 times and had to take to his parachute 9 times. His 222 aerial victories include 58 heavily armoured Il-2 Sturmovik ground attack aircraft. He was also responsible for sinking a British submarine. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Here, is the best I can do to get a bigger picture both the badge and cross belonged to Rudorffer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 A nice example of an Imperial German Godet Iron Cross First class 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Very pretty Kenny... I've got a second class wwi... If I had the spare cash I'd love a 1870/71 cross! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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