Fritz Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Bonjour, J'ai trouvé cette jolie boucle sortie de grange ! Je veux bien des infos et estimation. Merci à vous ! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Looks like a cast copy 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 The front looks very sharp with what looks very like original paint finish, the back looks strange 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gildwiller1918 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Yes Fritz, I agree, while the details on the front are very crisp, the rear side looks very odd, the details should be the same if not better on the back side. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddieq Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Unfortunately a poor cast copy. These are quite common in so far as the replicators make a cast of the obverse (front face) and not the rear and pour in the molten liquid - hence the difference in quality between the front and back. you should also be able to see quite clearly (on these copies) where the catch has been attracted/braised on. On the original aluminium cast buckles it was all one. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 usmc Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 While we are on the subject, I assume this is a re-enactment fake, It appears to be aluminum, magnetic does not stick and no makers marks, with a steel cross pin. The top eagle portion is actually a separate piece attached to the buckle plate. Comments? To me this is a cheep dime store fake. I known nothing about these, so I am asking about a rummage sale $1 item. Lets here what the experts say.... Anyone see such crazy stuff? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddieq Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 There’s a lot of this stuff about that is absolutely legit . Two piece, unmarked, aluminium heer buckles do exist. It looks ok in the main, however, I have two reservations:- 1. It looks like an Overhoff & Cie unmarked example but there is usually a ‘dimple’ or recess behind the catch, 2. the front obverse plate does not look as crisply formed as it should be - particularly in the 4 to 6 o’clock area. Could be the photo but it doesn’t look crisp enough. sorry, a bit on the fence with this. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 usmc Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Eddieq , Thank you for your expertise and knowledge and detailed observations and comments. The buckle looks so common, I had my doubts. Not what I would call a high quality buckle. As support for your facts, this did come from a US Army guy's attic, but I thought it was a fake because it looks so new and low quality. It has a lack of patina and wear like the first buckle exhibited. However, this one's historical provenience suggests it is real. I know bayonets and rifles , but not uniform treasures. So that buckle is likely a real thing? I added more photos as evidence.... I am a boot to German buckles. Again a huge thank you for your input. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 The buckles in your photos are original, and worth more than one dollar, I would say more like 100. Whatever you think, these are not cheap quality, but they are not combat buckles and not as "robust" as such. These are for the pre-war walking-out uniform - as in photos below Patent leather, not for a "combat" uniform (original) and always worn with a weapon like this, also non-combat, also patent leather, both showing age Originals, dress buckle above left 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddieq Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Hi, from the new photos that you posted, It has the correct post and prong fittings, not the post war copied types that you see, and having looked at some of mine this morning, I’m be happy to say it’s real. As Fritz says, there are combat versions, parade buckles and general wear buckles- some made from more robust metals than others, some pressed from one piece of metal, some two piece and others that are factory painted, anodised or washed with different coloured metal finishes. The variety makes for it to be an interesting field to collect but also a minefield with fakes. This would be one I’d be keeping. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddieq Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Over the weekend, I’ll take a few photos of some of my collection showing some of the different methods of construction/ materials. I’ll start it in a new thread. E 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 usmc Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Thanks to all, fritz really nailed it ( fritz I got it free as a gift) , so here is the story from 6 Nov. 2020. Buckle, knife -as fritz shows, and a Carcano with bring back papers. from old now gone forum. Wayback machine may take a minute to load. https://web.archive.org/web/20220104164414/http://www.surplusrifleforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4378 thanks to all. We could use a general buckle ID post... great idea. Thanks to all now I know its original. Any special buckle primary reference books? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted February 24 Author Share Posted February 24 https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=5fee7d56a3546583&sca_upv=1&q=buch+koppelschlösser&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjezKXX2sSEAxUNVPEDHS1aAGQQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=1138&bih=489&dpr=1.2 Books on belts and buckles https://fjm44.com/articles/aluminium-buckle-heer-dransfeld-co-1937/ a further buckle similar to the first one, an original 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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