Fritz Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Order of the Garter One of the oldest orders of chivalry. Wire embroidered version on a dark blue cloth backing. Probably as a blazer badge. A British Campaign Medal for the Crimea War, 1854-1856. A good example in excellent condition with much patina, has a single bar for "Sebastopol", on original, slightly aged ribbon. This medal has been awarded to a soldier serving with the French Imperial Army under Napoléon III. It is inscribed around the edge in capitals: MASTEIS OSTERMANN AU TRAIN DE LA GARDE IMle. - au Train de la Garde Impériale. These medals were frequently awarded to allies, in this case to a French soldier. The first name is probably misspelt, and should probably have been Mathaeus, German or French spelling, but such mistakes were commonplace in those days. Possibly researchable? This medal was from an auction in Berlin around 1994, and was certainly undervalued. The bearer was probably from Alsace, and therefore afer 1871 a German citizen, explaining how this medal got to Berlin. A matching set of medals for the South Africa War 1899-1901, Queen's and King's South Africa to a soldier of the Middlesex Regiment. The Queen's Medal has a single bar for Cape Colony, probably the most common type, the King's medal has the typical bars South Africa 1901 and South Africa 1902. The edges of both medals have matching inscriptions, 2969 Pte.J.Chilton, Middlesex Regt. This matching pair was obtained in Portobello Road market in the early 1980s. Both medals in very good slightly worn condition, with a lot of patina. Ribbons are most likely an older replacement. Unresearched. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Very nice Fritz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Various awards and badges Imperial Service Clasp, white metal on brooch fitting, possibly WW1 period The Kings Badge 1914-18, silver, number to rear 386833, on pin brooch fitting The Kings Badge, 1939-45, nickel silver on buttonhole fitting ARP wardens/members badge, London hallmarked silver on buttonhole fitting 386833 Silver Wound badge to 202984 Private Frank Cyril Thomas Walker, Royal Warwickshire Regiment, to badge illustrated. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 1914 Star - August-November 1914, awarded to 11615, L.Cpl.G.White, 1/L'Pool.R., not known if entitled to bar (known as Mons Star, probably awarded to the first "old contemptibles"). 1914-15 Star, awarded to 55220, Spr.G.A.Rust, R.E., unresearched Medal card for Mons Star kindly sent by Paul Foster Medal cards for these stars, both soldiers were entitled to the War Medal and Victory Medal Silver War Medal 1914-18, awarded to 242288, Pte.J.L.Rose, R.West Kent R., unresearched Mercantile Marine Medal 1914-18, bronze, named to Isabella Sturdy, unresearched Victory Medal 1914-19, named to 242720 Pte.Cowperthwaite, Sco.Rif. Atlantic Star, 1939-45 Defence Medal 1939-45, mint, unnamed, probably unissued War Medal 1939-45, not quite mint, unnamed, possibly unissued 1939-1945 Star. The ribbons look a bit artificial and new. The Italy Star. ----------- A guide to original British WW2 campaign bars can be found here, as there are many fakes around: https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/staff/hartleyi/bobclasp.htm (Internet photo) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Very nice Paul, the Imperial Service Badge was worn by Territorial Force soldiers who volunteered to serve oversees and dates from 1910-1921. It ceased to exist when the Territorial Force became the Territorial Army in 1921. it was made in white metal, silver, and also brass but I must admit I've never seen a brass one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 I think I saw a brass one in the internet some years ago. In the late 60s and 70s I only remember seeing the white metal version. A school friend of mine had one, I was of the impression, it was his fathers, along with the other medals, but he also had the M.M. etc. of his grandfather, who had been with the Royal Marine Artillery on the Somme etc., could it have been the grandfather's? Or would this not apply to R.M.Art.? I was told, they wore a strange uniform, khaki breeches with puttees, dark blue tunics and a dark blue peakless cap. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 It could be if his Grandfather was in the Territorial Force and if his own regiment did not serve oversees then he could have volunteered to serve in another regiment that was going oversees to fight. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Here's a photo of Cpl Hinksman who volunteered to serve at Gallipoli with the 1st Battalion Hereford Regiment wearing his badge. And a photo of the brass version I've found. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share Posted July 15, 2017 Rare photo. Haven't seen one worn before. Perhaps the brass version was issued as an economy pattern, as were cap badges in all brass. There is a short article under Wikipedia, very little info. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Force_Imperial_Service_Badge 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Have just purchased this latest medalThe Atlantic Star, probably the rarest of the series after the Aircrew Europe Star. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 The Pacific is the rarest after the Aircrew, then there are also the clasp combinations such as a Pacific star with a Burma clasp which is rarer again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 Clasps are always rarer, but did not realise the Pacific Star was next rarest. This RAF man, a signaler, had the Burma star. This ribbon bar was on the tunic as arrived, however, a poor quality, early post war paper-type garn with a celluloid covering. Interesting to note, he had the Defence Medal, but not the War Medal. Tunic dated 1944. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Pacific stars are harder to find, I can sometimes go for months without having one in stock, where as all the others are pretty much in stock most of the time. The Atlantic star is next rarest, then the Burma, then France and Germany, Africa, Italy and most common the 39-45 star. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gildwiller1918 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I have a question on the Campaign/Star medals. How common is it for them to be named? I see a lot for sale that are just blank, with only a few named. Just curious 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Paul British stars were never named, the only countries who named their stars were India, Australia and South Africa 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gildwiller1918 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Ok, thanks. I was wondering about that. I appreciate the info. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 As far as I remember, all the medals of a soldier, who served in North Africa, Italy and finally Austria, had all his medals named - these I saw around 1970, including the Military Medal and Medaille Militaire, fr. (reverse was engraved or stamped?), Africa, Italy, 1939-45 Medal and Star as well as Defence Medal, there was also the Territorial Medal with this. He lived in Chingford/Essex, was a post-war bank manager, he had the rank of "sergeant" and with the 8th Army during the war. Name was CARTER, Sergeant, he was either Rifle Brigade or "Green Howards". Also, his grandfather (mother's side), can't remember the name, was with the Royal Marine Artillery in France, on the Somme in 1914-18, at Albert, Pommera, etc., and he also won the Military Medal. So Carter jr. has two military medals in his family. I hope he has kept them till this day. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 It's possible he got his name engraved privately but they were never issued named. Also of interest are the Canadians, whilst their War and Defense medals were the exact same as the British they were actually made from silver rather than the British which were cupro-nickel. The Indian , South African and Australians also had there own Defense medals which were a totally different design. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 I can't remember whether they were stamped or engraved. He never wore them, because they were never mounted, but still had the original box. I recently saw an example of a star, can't remember which one, I only remember it had on the reverse: W. GILL and his service number, can't remember unit. May have been a Commonwealth issue. N.B.: Spelt as "DEFENCE", see same. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Yes it is still possible to get them stamped or engraved privately, your correct the British way to spell it is defence, my spell checker must be English American not sure how to change that on my browser, thanks for pointing that out, will take a look and try to update it 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 I doubt if he went to the trouble to have them privately engraved, just kept as souvenir and never worn, also had a few bringbacks from North Africa and Austria, a Dienstglas, a Beretta pistol, which later fell to pieces! some banknotes from the Reich and the occupation money notes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 That's very unusual I've never come across that before, as usual there may have been exceptions to the rule but generally they were issued unnamed, perhaps because he got the Medaille Militaire which was named the others were named at the same time? Another interesting fact is no more than five stars could be worn at any one time, those who qualified for more received a clasp to be worn on the appropriate star. Got the spell check changed it was set to English (United States) now fixed 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 Possibly he got them engraved/stamped at his army workshop before he left the service. The son also had the WW1 medals of his grandfather, who was with the Royal Marine Artillery, who also had the Military Medal (George V.), he had been stationed around Albert and Pommera (Somme). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 WW1 Memorial Scroll I have noticed, these memorial scrolls are available as a reproduction and can be printed with the names, number, rank and unit of a recipient as per the originals Full size reproduction memorial plaques are also available, names can be added, same supplier as before. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 That would be a very nice family group, father and son both with Military Medals. The Second World War Military Medal is also much scarcer as 115,000 Military Medals were awarded during the First World War compared to only 15,000 in the Second World War. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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