Graeme Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 If it was in the 110 then it needed to be connected to the engine. One of the engines is at East Fortune. What did it connect to? The airshow is on at East Fortune soon. Perhaps it would be worth a visit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Yes maybe, but I need to make a decision soon what do to with this thing, here is what my Norwegian friend Guttorm told me. that is no clock but as mentioned here a position indicator for the propeller pitch. this instrument is mounted on the engine itself and are visible from the cockpit thru the small window on the engine cowling ( the engine instrument panel with three instruments are mounted on the engine bearer. one on each side and this instrument is also mounted in the cockpit so if the cockpit was smashed it could come from one of the engines) but a nice item as regards being on a 110. I can confirm that the Bf 110 had this. i have even dug one up from a crash site ( Bf 110 c )and seen a complete original 110 instrument panel with this instrument. ( two ) the He 111 in our collection ( gardermoen flysamling ) has 4. two in the cockpit and one on each engine panel. the Ju 88 a1 has two ( one on each engine panel ) The 110 had also 4.. two in the cockpit and one on each engine bearer. all aircraft with changeable pitch on the blade need this instrument ( Ju 52 does not have it as those blades are manually turned ) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted June 24, 2010 Share Posted June 24, 2010 Ok, so we accept it can come from a 110 and it is from the correct time frame. What you have to decide is do you trust the provenance. You have copy photo's, letters, newspapers, service numbers etc. Firstly, are you happy with them? Secondly, and just as important, will your clientèle be happy with the provenance? How easy is it going to be for you to move it on? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 Yes I am totally happy with them, you can see in the wedding photo that it is without doubt the same man who was at Hess's crash site , we also have his discharge papers etc, the only problem I can think of is that even although he was at Hess's crash site he may have picked the clock up later in the war and over the years the story has got mixed up, especially if that clock was never in a 110, but now it looks like it might have been in a 110, the woman is totally genuine , if it is not Hess's it will come as a total surprise to her , it is looking better though and I hope to have some pictures tomorrow of a 110 with it in it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 25, 2010 Share Posted June 25, 2010 The photos are of a 110 and there is no way a 109 would have the range without external fuel tanks and some luck. Everything I have read said it was a 110 though their is conjecture on some sites if the crashed 110 was his or one sent looking for him the next day which was shot down. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted June 26, 2010 Author Share Posted June 26, 2010 Here are the pictures of the instrument in the engine thanks to Guttorm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 26, 2010 Share Posted June 26, 2010 that must be a rather rare photo of field work to an engine. A 110 had 2 engines mounted to either wing and the controls were in a central fuselage. To see the controls that close to an engine, and on the side rather than mounted behind would mean you are looking at an engine stripped out of a plane and being worked on, they'd probably have test gauges mounted as you see them that they could attach to the engine to bring it to working order and test. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted July 2, 2010 Author Share Posted July 2, 2010 Finally added it to the website, still no idea what it's worth so decided we would just ask for offers. WW2 German Propeller Pitch Indicator From Rudolf Hess's Crashed BF110 Ref: 1072 10th of May 1941 Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess crash lands in Scotland on his secret mission to meet the Duke of Hamilton to negotiate peace with Great Britain.At the scene of the crash RAF Corporal Peter Johnstone removes the Prop pitch indicator or "Luftschrauben-Stellungsanzeiger nr 9-9548" from the engine cowling.The Bf110 would have four Prop pitch indicators two in the cockpit and one on each engine panel.The instrument Corporal Johnston removed was a mechanical one which would have been on the engine panel, the cockpit ones were electrical.The Prop Pitch indicators were used to check which degree the propeller blades were standing. Corporal Johnstone's Family have asked us to sell the instrument for them.We have copies of pictures of Cpl Johnstone on the front page of a newspaper standing next to Hess's plane also a group photo again next to the Hess plane, we have marked Cpl Johnston on the photos.We also have a copy of his wedding photo in RAF uniform which are illustrated on the web page.Copies of his Marriage Certificate and Certificate of discharge from the RAF are also available but not illustrated as they contain personal information.The instrument also comes with a letter from his daughter confirming that her father removed the instrument form Hess's plane when it crash landed near Eaglesham, Scotland. As this instrument is a totally unique item from a very controversial period in history and very hard to valuate.We would welcome any serious offers which we would then pass onto the family. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 How did you get on with this? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted August 17, 2010 Author Share Posted August 17, 2010 Highest bid so far is £900 but don't think the family will go for that, if we don't get any better offers will probably add it to the site for the minimum price the family will accept.Obviously they want a few more offers before they tell me what that figure is. Interesting project anyway even if nothing comes out of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF635SQ Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 If i had the money...i would buy it. BUT we are saving for a genuine wartime willys jeep 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I would have thought that was a decent offer. As you say an interesting project. It can be difficult especially if owners have unrealistic expectations on what an item is worth. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr bridger Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I would concur, i think it is a reasonable offer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 Yes it's a tricky one , I may have given myself allot of work for nothing but I will let you know how it works out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Agreed that the offer seems very fair for the item 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted August 23, 2010 Author Share Posted August 23, 2010 We had an article on it in the Sunday Express at the weekend , still have not seen it, but the writer has promised to send me a copy, will post it here when it arrives. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 See it is now fixed price, that is the family asking price I take it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted September 29, 2010 Author Share Posted September 29, 2010 Yes they say unless they get that price they will just keep it, originally they wanted £5K but I refused to add it to the site for that, it might be worth 3K just depends on how much someone wants it, it will be interesting to see if it goes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Well good luck but I think it is a bit steep. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 Was offered 1.5 K but the family would not accept it and took it back , allot of work for nothing but it was interesting to verify that it was indeed from Rudolf Hess's plane. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabek1 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 You should charge a small fee if people want you to go into heavy research on an item but guess it was good to see and hold this item 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 pity on the clock and the family is just crazy to expect more but such is the world I suppose. Side comment... I wonder what the UK find rules are/were for downed aircraft. The rules for archeology finds in the ground is it is instantly crown property which must be declared and valued then offered first to museums. Would this not have been the same for downed aircraft? Course that assumes the laws were still the same back during the war. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 I'm not sure Greg, probably just as well we didn't get it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr bridger Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 5K no wayyyyy they are going to sit on it for a long time for that kind of cash. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF635SQ Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 It does seem like they wanted far too much for it, 5k for a clock from the plane seems a bit mad. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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