Robert howie Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Hi, I have just purchased this WW1 Iron cross at auction. Another claimed in the selling particulars to have been partially denazified and the third as a copy of a third reich ‘round three’ Iron Cross. Mine just stated WW1 Iron Cross First Class. Not sure what a ‘round three’ is! To my mind the implication is, although not stated, that the other two are genuine. Can anyone verify the authenticity of the item I have purchased please? There is a clearly visible stamp on the reverse just below the clasp hook. Many thanks for any help available 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Hi Robert, welcome to the forum, I'm afraid the cross you posted is a one piece copy, these were never stamped Munchen 9 and are coming out of Eastern Europe. The round 3 is referring to a Second World War 1939 Iron cross where the 3 is rounded rather than the usual squared number 3, these are rarer to find than the standard squared number 3 round 3 square 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert howie Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 Hi Kenny, Thank you for your help. in your opinion is it worth going back to the auction house and demanding my money back as they have not stated it is a copy? many thanks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert howie Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 So what would this be worth, any idea please, £20? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert howie Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 The auction house claimed in the selling particulars that the rounded off 3 IC was a copy, and was valued at between £25-35 image attached The partially denazified which has a squared off three and the one I purchased, neither of which in the selling particulars claim to be either a copy or original, are both valued at £80-120. I appreciate you are an expert and would not have been duped after closer inspection but from the selling particulars would you initially assume they were both original? As it was when viewing the items the day before the sale I was informed by a member of the auction staff that one was a copy, as per the selling particulars which again suggests to me the others were original Again image attached 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Yes I would take it back Robert, you are correct it is worth about £20 no way would it be worth £80-£120 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert howie Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 Thanks all for your help. I have returned it and with a little persuasion they agreed to give me all my money back but insist it came from a reliable source, ‘he sells with us all the time and has thousands of medals’ they said Also ‘you need to do more research before you buy’ they said That opened the flood gates I suggested they do a lot more research before printing their catalogue and making statements they could not corroborate They also claimed they had seen a lot that failed the magnet test Again thanks for you help, much appreciated 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 If he has thousands of medals you would have thought he would have known it was a copy and told them, something does not add up here, best to avoid buying from there I would have thought. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 "Alles was glänzt, ist gar nicht Gold". Old saying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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