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WW1 iron cross, is it real please?


Robert howie

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Hi,

I have just purchased this WW1 Iron cross at auction.

Another claimed in the selling particulars to have been partially denazified and the third as a copy of a third reich ‘round three’ Iron Cross. Mine just stated WW1 Iron Cross First Class.

Not sure what a ‘round three’ is!

To my mind the implication is, although not stated, that the other two are genuine.

Can anyone verify the authenticity of the item I have purchased please?

There is a clearly visible stamp on the reverse just below the clasp hook.

Many thanks for any help  available

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Hi Robert, welcome to the forum, I'm afraid the cross you posted is a one piece copy, these were never stamped Munchen 9 and are coming out of Eastern Europe. The round 3 is referring to a Second World War 1939 Iron cross where the 3 is rounded rather than the usual squared number 3, these are rarer to find than the standard squared number 3    

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Hi Kenny,

Thank you for your help.

in your opinion is it worth going back to the auction house and demanding my money back as they  have not stated it is a copy?

many thanks

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The auction house claimed in the selling particulars that the rounded off 3 IC was a copy, and was valued at between £25-35 

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The partially denazified  which has a squared off three and the one I purchased, neither of which in the selling particulars claim to be either a copy or original, are both valued at £80-120.
I appreciate you are an expert and would not have been duped after closer inspection but from the selling particulars would you initially assume they were both original?

As it was when viewing the items the day before the sale I was informed by a member of the auction staff that one was a copy, as per the selling particulars which again suggests to me the others were original

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Yes I would take it back Robert, you are correct it is worth about £20 no way would it be worth £80-£120  

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Thanks all for your help.

I have returned it and with a little persuasion they agreed to give me all my money back but insist it came from a reliable source, ‘he sells with us all the time and has thousands of medals’ they said

Also ‘you need to do more research before you buy’ they said

That opened the flood gates

I suggested they do a lot more research before printing their catalogue and making statements they could not corroborate 

They also claimed they had seen a lot that failed the magnet test

Again thanks for you help, much appreciated

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If he has thousands of medals you would have thought he would have known it was a copy and told them, something does not add up here, best to avoid buying from there I would have thought. 

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"Alles was glänzt, ist gar nicht Gold".   Old saying.

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