Jan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Hello. Can anyone identify these German shoulder straps and their average values if it possible? Thank you! I searched on internet but i just lost 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 First photo, 3 single shoulder pieces for Saxon officers, ca. 1890-1914, first of which Landwehr-Brigade 47 - the 7 is missing., the other 2 have lost their Auflagen, the second of which had 2 rank pips for Hauptmann 4th photo - Wehrmacht, officer of Heeresverwaltung, equivalent rank of Hauptmann/captain (administration "HV") 5th photo - Wehrmacht, Wachtmeister, Artillerie-Regiment 3, fieldgrey, after 1940 7th photo - Wehrmacht, Oberst (colonel), Kavallerie-Regiment 4 Value according to rarity and condition, matched pairs are always worth more. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 Thank you! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 10/08/2021 at 19:40, Fritz said: First photo, 3 single shoulder pieces for Saxon officers, ca. 1890-1914, first of which Landwehr-Brigade 47 - the 7 is missing., the other 2 have lost their Auflagen, the second of which had 2 rank pips for Hauptmann 4th photo - Wehrmacht, officer of Heeresverwaltung, equivalent rank of Hauptmann/captain (administration "HV") 5th photo - Wehrmacht, Wachtmeister, Artillerie-Regiment 3, fieldgrey, after 1940 7th photo - Wehrmacht, Oberst (colonel), Kavallerie-Regiment 4 Value according to rarity and condition, matched pairs are always worth more. Can you understand if these are original or not ? Seller doesn’t know and sells for $23 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 original, if all for 23 USD I doubt if you'll get cheaper than that 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, Fritz said: original, if all for 23 USD I doubt if you'll get cheaper than that Yes. I thought so. Thank you so much! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 You'll need to protect against further moth damage, some of them are already in poor condition, esp. the older pieces. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share Posted August 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Fritz said: You'll need to protect against further moth damage, some of them are already in poor condition, esp. the older pieces. Are those Schulterklappe panzer shoulder straps? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 I already listed the descriptions, no Panzer. First photo with the three in poor condition are Saxony, 1890-1914 - pre-First World War, the rest are WW2. Panzer shoulder pieces see below: Black with pink piping. Rank of Oberwachtmeister, for the black Panzer jacket Pink backing/piping, rank of Hauptmann/Rittmeister These are darkgreen with pink piping, for the fieldgrey tunic, Panzer and also Panzerabwehr units, rank of Wachtmeister, equivalent to Feldwebel An insignia lot for an officer of Panzer-Regiment 15. The black collar patches were worn on the black Panzer jacket, one skull missing. (All internet photos) Panzer insignia (own collection) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share Posted August 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Fritz said: I already listed the descriptions, no Panzer. First photo with the three in poor condition are Saxony, 1890-1914 - pre-First World War, the rest are WW2. Panzer shoulder pieces see below: Black with pink piping. Rank of Oberwachtmeister, for the black Panzer jacket Pink backing/piping, rank of Hauptmann/Rittmeister These are darkgreen with pink piping, for the fieldgrey tunic, Panzer and also Panzerabwehr units, rank of Wachtmeister, equivalent to Feldwebel An insignia lot for an officer of Panzer-Regiment 15. The black collar patches were worn on the black Panzer jacket, one skull missing. (All internet photos) Panzer insignia (own collection) Oh sorry! I forget to upload the photos! I mean these ones for 23 bucks and a seller doesn’t know their originality 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Original, Panzer or Panzerjäger for the fieldgrey tunic, midwar. Get these ones for sure, you would normally pay about 250-300 euro or more for these,some slight moth damage, but otherwise very good for that. Even have the correct buttons. A good opportunity if you can get them. Rare! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share Posted August 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, Fritz said: Original, Panzer for the fieldgrey tunic, midwar. Get these ones for sure, you would normally pay about 250-300 euro or more for these,some slight moth damage, but otherwise very good for that. Even have the correct buttons. A good opportunity if you can get them. Rare! Oh wow! I hope he won't break the deal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Are you sure they are not faded artillery, look more red than pink to me? Also don't like the lack of stitching around the button holes, would not be for me, even without the moth, you could have no collection left if that spreads. I think I can still see the eggs in that picture. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Can be easily treated against moth. I still think the colour is pink, it is the same on the underside. Even if they were artillery straps, still worth the money. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Kenny Andrew said: Are you sure they are not faded artillery, look more red than pink to me? Also don't like the lack of stitching around the button holes, would not be for me, even without the moth, you could have no collection left if that spreads. I think I can still see the eggs in that picture. I don’t know how to detect originality but I searched German strips on google and found similar panzer ones that look same. clearly seller have no idea what he is selling. He sells jeans and stuff and some west Germany caps. He wrote “ww2 Tanker strips. I don’t know but I guess original” so I would be little bit more suspicious if he would be a collector or antique 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Kenny Andrew said: Are you sure they are not faded artillery, look more red than pink to me? Also don't like the lack of stitching around the button holes, would not be for me, even without the moth, you could have no collection left if that spreads. I think I can still see the eggs in that picture. I mean even the coppies are not much different than this price. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share Posted August 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jan said: I mean even the coppies are not much different than this price. Also even though the moth is a obviously bad thing it made me believe that he didn’t bought this recently. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Tanker strips? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Jan, I hate to say it but all these items you are posting are garbage. I get it in the shop, some people come in and say your items are expensive but I tell them all my items are guaranteed original and in good condition. They then tell me they have bought the same item on ebay for half the price and laugh. Pretty soon these new collectors run out of money and bring their items into my shop to raise money, it's only then they realise their collections are fake and worthless. It happens all the time, most often with Eastern European fakes. As I've said to you before the only way to build up a nice collection which will go up in value is to buy original items in the best condition you can afford. I realise if you are just starting money can be an issue, it was when we all started collecting. If your funds are limited, buy cheaper items in good condition, you can build up a nice collection of tinnies for example at a reasonable price, then later sell them and buy bigger items. If you want the big items to start with then buy replicas, at least you know what you are getting. There are still plenty of nice original items available at affordable prices if you buy from reputable dealers, and too many crooks online who will rip you off if you don't know what you are buying. One of the first lessons I learnt when I started collecting was "crap will always be crap" sorry to be so brutal, but I hate to see people getting ripped off. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Kenny Andrew said: Jan, I hate to say it but all these items you are posting are garbage. I get it in the shop, some people come in and say your items are expensive but I tell them all my items are guaranteed original and in good condition. They then tell me they have bought the same item on ebay for half the price and laugh. Pretty soon these new collectors run out of money and bring their items into my shop to raise money, it's only then they realise their collections are fake and worthless. It happens all the time, most often with Eastern European fakes. As I've said to you before the only way to build up a nice collection which will go up in value is to buy original items in the best condition you can afford. I realise if you are just starting money can be an issue, it was when we all started collecting. If your funds are limited, buy cheaper items in good condition, you can build up a nice collection of tinnies for example at a reasonable price, then later sell them and buy bigger items. If you want the big items to start with then buy replicas, at least you know what you are getting. There are still plenty of nice original items available at affordable prices if you buy from reputable dealers, and too many crooks online who will rip you off if you don't know what you are buying. One of the first lessons I learnt when I started collecting was "crap will always be crap" sorry to be so brutal, but I hate to see people getting ripped off. Yes I get it. I mostly buy items from antique shop (online) but they can be much more expensive even than the average price. Yes some time I feel like I missing the opportunity when I see good price but I’m not jumping on it. As I posted before I paid much more for less clean merit cross just because it had number and it was from shop . Of course when I about to buy an item even from a famous antique shop , I try to read about it and examine the original ones and try to find any difference. But also I ask you guys. Not just here but also on FB. For helmets, I ask helmet collectors for example. I ordered books about awards but still a plenty time to be a good in identification. I never pay serious price for a item that I’m not sure that is not real.for this strap loosing 20$ wouldn’t be big deal. of course as a new collector I’m not ready to spend like 800$ for once but of course those tinnes are so low for me. I’m mostly ready to go up till $ 150-200. honestly when I buy to myself I am ready to pay much for a better quality and legitimate originality. But those strips asked to me by ww2 strip collector. I didn't even make an offer. He wanted buy from me and i said i can trade. So I’m just thinking to take out these from my hands. I don’t have much of a interest to collect stripes. I said I don’t know if they are real. But seems like a he knows his stuff. Same with those relic helmets. as I said I also ask the good helmet,strip,medal etc. collectors but mostly I like to ask you guys because it’s amazing when I’m not get only the “Yes” answer but also an explanation. So it is more important the learn these than the being sure of originality of a specific item. It is like a lesson for me. So thank you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Fritz said: Tanker strips? Yes he wrote like that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 That's no problem Jan I understand what you are saying, we are all learning all the time. You have no idea the amount of scams and stories I have encountered in the last 40 years of collecting, I'm just trying to help, my friend. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Kenny Andrew said: That's no problem Jan I understand what you are saying, we are all learning all the time. You have no idea the amount of scams and stories I have encountered in the last 40 years of collecting, I'm just trying to help, my friend. Yes and I am very greatful. I take your words very seriously and I respect your opinions a lot ! It’s very clear you know a lot and have lots of experience. Most people I talk have a knowledge and interest to specific kind of items. Like only to the belts or only to awards. But you people explain to me I lot whatever find of item I ask. I can’t even imagine the amount of fakes out there but even I only start to collect for a month, I witnessed lots of fake items that I wouldn’t thought it worth it to make. Like the caps, hangers,claps... I mean everything . 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Thanks Jan, and always happy to help, you never know you might turn up something rare, it does happen. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Panzer uniforms and items, just for the record and information (internet photos) Panzer Waffenrock - parade tunic / walking out dress for a private Cap and tunic for an nco. Silver braiding has darkened slightly. Funkmeister - signaler badge on right cuff Tunic for an officer Collar insignia detail, other ranks Cuff detail, nco Feldbluse for an nco, Panzer or Panzerjäger units The black Panzer uniform for an officer Fieldgrey blouse for the Sturmartillerie (red piped) so-called Sturmgeschützjacke Sturmgeschütz 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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