Lee Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Got an ortigies pistol semi auto matic with 3 oil bases rounds (deactivated) 1921.. But is it genuine? And how much is it worth in British pounds.. Many thanks to you all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 This is definitely an old one, made in Erfurt. May have a private, civilian character or for police. I don't see any military or state markings on this, so that may apply. Later weapons had a WaA and number code, if they were military issue. Still a good example. Magazine may be much newer, not sure. A pistol not often heard of, it is very similar to the Walther PPK. Could even have been the private purchase issue of an officer or enlisted soldier. What you need now is a holster to match. Black was usually worn (incl. SS), but brown for officers. Wikipedia states that it was in Erfurt from 1919 till 1924! Patent was from 1916. Production was stopped by order of the Versailles Treaty . because they were easily convertible to 9mm calibre: Wikipedia - Sie war jedoch seinerzeit an mehrere deutsche Polizei-Dienststellen, wie etwa die Hamburger Polizei, die Wasserschutzpolizei, die Reichsfinanzverwaltung, die Berliner Schutzpolizei, die Stadtpolizei Winterthur und an den preußischen Grenzschutz ausgegeben worden. Im Dritten Reich wurden Heeresjustizwachtmeister der Kriegsgerichte laut „Allgemeiner Heeresmitteilung von 1935“ behelfsmäßig mit Ortgies-Pistolen des Kalibers 7,65 mm ausgestattet. Bei der niederländischen Polizei (Rijksveldwacht), bei der tschechoslowakischen Polizei und beim finnischen Strafvollzug wurden ebenfalls Ortgies-Pistolen eingesetzt. Used in several German police forces, such as the Hamburg Police, Water Police, Reichsfinanzverwaltung, Berlin Police, also with the Stadtpolizei Winthertur/Switzerland,the Netherlands Police, the Czechoslowak Police, and Finnish prison authorities. Perhaps someone can quote you a value as you requested. In Europe all de-activateds have unfortunately now been completely banned since Summer 2020, this also includes a lot of antique weapons. Example in the Smolensk War Museum, this one has an "N" and crown stamp, Nitroprüfung and may well have been military used. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 Thank you my friend... Always put so much into a reply and.. I'm Telling you.. Its so appreciated. Thank you alot. You seem please to see it.. Are the hard to come across? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I've heard of them, but not seen much of them. Still a nice item to have. However, a Walther PPK would probably cost more. If ever buying a PPK, watch out, because many are made post-war (and far cheaper), these were made in Ulm or by the French manufacturer Manhurin - there are also Chinese made examples - the original wartime and pre-war should be made in Zella-Mehlis (East), these cost more today, as they are rarer and more sought after! This is the post-war made in Ulm example, don't waste your money on this, get a genuine WW2 example from Zella-Mehlis if anything, and it should usually have the Wehrmacht WaA markings and a tiny eagle. "Made in West Germany" (!) Internet photo 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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