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Ribbon Bars ww2 & ww1


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Have a bunch of ribbon bars and ribbons, some not stored with the awards. I'll add first round of photos and update post with more as I progress. If they are meant to be worn with certain uniforms in the collection I'd like to keep them together. Discussions and Assistance in identification is greatly appreciated. Cheers!

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First of all, this is not a ribbon bar, but a decoration, I remember seeing you have the award document for this - this is the Silver Wedding Anniversary 25 Years - of Kaiser Wilhelm II. - Silbernes Hochzeits-Erinnerungszeichen on the ribbon of the last decoration previously awarded to the recipient, in this case, the Rother Adler-Orden., here with it's case, so you have the document to go with this, as already stated.

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Award document and letter accompanying to above decoration.

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Miniatures of British Awards for WW1 and WW2:
1914-15 Star
Silver War Medal 1914-18
Victory Medal
Defence Medal 1939-45
War Medal 1939-45

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Miniatures as a button-hole decoration:
Iron Cross 1870 with 25 year jubilee leaf
Brunswick Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1914
Frontkämpferkreuz 1914-18 (1934)
Austria, 1914-18 (issued 1928)
next decoration ?
Bulgaria, 1915-18 (issued late 1920s)
The case would not belong to this

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A group as worn after 1934/6
Iron Cross 1914
Frontkämpferkreuz 1914-18 (issued 1934)
Kriegshilfsdienst 1916-1918
Landwehr-Dienstauszeichnung, territorial long service, 1913-
Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen, civil decoration for 25 years service

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This one is upside-down, in order as shown:
Bulgaria, 1915-18 (issued late 1920s)
Austria,  1st Republic, Ehrenzeichen für Verdienst um die Republik Österreich
Kaiser Karl Truppenkreuz 1917/18
Tapferkeitsmedaille(n), silver or bronze
 

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Top clasp, upside down again, the Iron Cross is always in first place, from right to left:
Iron Cross 1914
Mecklenburg-Schwerin 1914
Rother Adler Orden
Kronen-Orden
Kaiser Wilhelm Gedächtnismedaille 1897
Bavaria: Luitpold Medaille(n), 1905-1911
Brunswick, 1914
Hessen-Darmstadt, Silberne Tapferkeitsmedaille, 1914-18
Hamburg: Hanseatenkreuz
Hessen-Darmstadt, Kriegsehrenzeichen 1916
Last 2, Decorations of Baden(?)

Next clasp on the left (2nd row), again all upside-down, from right to left:
Iron Cross 1914
Bavaria, Militärverdienstkreuz
Frontkämpferkreuz 1914-18 (1934)
Austria, Tapferkeitsmedaille
Bavaria, Long Service Decorations

Single:
Hohenzollern, decorations

Bottom row, left, from left to right:
Iron Cross 1914
Kriegsverdienstkreuz mit Schwertern, 1939
third decoration ?
Frontkämpferkreuz 1914-18
Bulgaria, Soldiers Cross 4th class, 1915
Hungary, war medal 1914-18 (late 1920s)
Bulgaria, 1915-18 (late 1920s)

Bottom row, right:
Iron Cross 1914, presumably both classes
unknown
Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1939
Frontkämpferkreuz 1914-18
Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen, 25 year service (civil)
 

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Iron Cross, 1914, mounted on original sales card, could specify both classes.
Looks like a buttonhole decoration, if button is sewn to rear.





 

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Nothing. Take a look at the Hochzeitserinnerungszeichen further above, I have added the two documents which go with this.

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Thank you. Yes I see the corresponding document. But I don't know If I have the document for the previous award, Rother Adler-Orden. I may have the award itself but haven't found document, yet. 

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Rother Adler Orden 2. Klasse mit Eichenlaub to Georg von Wedell, 1875, we can't be sure this was to the same person as the clasp (1906)
The other document was to Robert Koehne, so not the same.

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Richard Georg von Wedell - there are several books with all WW1 recipients and their biographies, you can check this. The oakleaf is a jubilee award to the recipient. Otherwise, the type looks like a WW1 issue. They were gold till 1916, thereafter gilded silver. There may be also post-WW1 made examples as replacements or seconds, these could be gilded bronze. Do you have the neck ribbon for this? There were two versions:
 

Orden Pour le Merite für Militärverdienst Ordenskreuz mit Eichenlaub

black, silver woven, there should be no silver centre stripe on ribbon,
edge stripes only

ORDENSBAND 0,50M PREUSSEN, Orden Pour le Merite - EUR 7,00 | PicClick DE

type for version with oakleaf, ribbon with silver centre stripe

 

 

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This one is definitely gold and the condition in near perfect. Believe it's made by Wagner. The second is award for arts & science? Three ribbons, one is the oak leaf type. The two button hole decorations- one is marked Godet Co. Berlin. The prinzen Pour Le Merite is pin on and marked Jünker Berlin- 25. 600. 

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The last picture with the "pinback", this is of course not the real decoration, simply a representation of same. I see from the latest pictures that the P.l.M. seems to be definitely gold. The round shaped "Pour le Mérite" is the version for "Kunst und Wissenschaft", civil, and is still awarded today - an anachronism, as a republic has not the right to award a decoration that was originally inaugurated by the former Prussian monarchy.
The gold Pour le Mérite, if by Wagner, may have a W mark on the side of the lower cross arm. It could also have been made by J.G. Godet.

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Pour le Mérite recent auction -

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Finely wrought in gold, this "Pour le Merite" order cross changed hands for 33,000 euros in our 71st Auction
 

 

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I wouldn't accept that. In the old days they would take 20 percent commission from the purchaser and demand at least 40 percent from the seller plus charges of several kinds.

It's nice to be a Preiss, but it's higher to be a Bayer, as they used to say.

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