Gildwiller1918 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Nice helmet 72 USMC, made by the Edward. G. Budd company, some collectors do collect by heat stamp, I am one of them, lol. Some only collect certain divisional/regimental painted ones. These helmets are still fairly easy to find, however finding an intact one with the liner and chinstrap is getting harder. I have a helmet with the same heat stamp but with a US 1st Army logo painted on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 Here's another M1917 helmet made by Edward G Budd Manufacturing Co in good condition Still has its star shaped rivet, can't make out the liner maker, helmet stamped ZC 204. Photos from other sources. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aef1917 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 The liner is Leatherwear Company of America. Strictly speaking, the rim markings are not a heat stamp. They are a manufacturer/lot code. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 Here's another M1917 helmet stamped ZJ 292 made by Columbian Enamelling & Stamping Co still has its liner by R.H.Long & Co 1917 in good overall condition. Photos from other sources. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aef1917 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 I don't think the liner is original to that helmet. A 1917-manufactured helmet with a Z steel code should have a lot number under 100. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 Thanks for the information most interesting, ( my mistake should be 1918 ). On page 12 member Yacorie posted photos of his m1917 helmet stamped ZA 197 with a R H Long liner 7-18 mark, does the 7 represent the liner size and the 18 the year it was made. Here's a photo of the ZJ 292 liner mark. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aef1917 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On R.H. Long liners, it's the month and year. In a Z steel helmet, July 1918 makes sense for lot 197 and November 1918 makes sense for lot 292. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lach470 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Good day! I have a student of mine that brought in a M1917 helmet with an 'A' on the front of it. I assume that represents the 1st army of the US Exp. Force. There is also the faint outline of a red castle "inside" the A. It's very Hard to see but it's there. I believe it represents the engineering corps? The maker mark (heat stamp) - although hard to see - is YJ 170. Can anyone help me with who this maker could have been? Where was this helmet made? Many thanks in advance for any help you can send my way. Rob 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted April 14, 2023 Author Share Posted April 14, 2023 Welcome, the maker of the YJ 170 mark has not been Identified as yet, it's and American made helmet and the letter A is for the 1st Army, with the red castle being the 18th Engineers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lach470 Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Thanks Leon!! I appreciate you taking the time to help me (and my student) out. Always fun and exciting to learn new things. Have a great day! Thanks again! Rob 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aef1917 Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 On 14/04/2023 at 13:25, leon21 said: Welcome, the maker of the YJ 170 mark has not been Identified as yet, it's and American made helmet and the letter A is for the 1st Army, with the red castle being the 18th Engineers. It could be any one of the Engineer regiments assigned to the 1st Army. As for who made it, we know that the first letter is the steel supplier. Y only appears on J helmets. Those two pieces of information and Bashford Dean's Helmets And Body Armor In Modern Warfare will provide the answer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortraitsofHonor Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 New to this forum, and I am hoping someone can help me ID a helmet a friend gave to me which belonged to her late husband's collection. I did check the heat stamp on the inside and it is ZA189. I think that shows that it is from the Crosby Co. in Buffalo, NY. The strap bales (or whatever they're called) are angled on the corners. And am I correct that this a WWII era helmet? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 Welcome the helmet is from the WWI period and yes the maker is the Crosby Co. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortraitsofHonor Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 On 23/06/2023 at 07:02, leon21 said: Welcome the helmet is from the WWI period and yes the maker is the Crosby Co. Thank you for the reply. Is the heat stamp number the main indicator that it is WWI? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted June 25, 2023 Author Share Posted June 25, 2023 Yes and how the remains of the leather strap is fixed to the shell. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xcvu Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Hello! I am new to this forum. I recently bought an mk2 helmet . Could anyone tell me if the helmet is original or not? It has no markings but it has a liner(marked with J.C.S&WLtd).It appears to have two black lines running across the helmet. The seller told me it is an original mk2 helmet used by RAF personal. Thank you!(Sorry for the low quality photos!) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua 32L Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Hello, I’m new to the forum and I acquired a helmet today and was trying to determine it’s age ect, after reading here as much as I could, I’m still lost. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 Welcome Joshua, what you have is a WW2 helmet made by Briggs Motor Bodies Ltd 0f Dagenham with Steel Batch Lot Code 50 and dated 1/1941. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua 32L Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 3 hours ago, leon21 said: Welcome Joshua, what you have is a WW2 helmet made by Briggs Motor Bodies Ltd 0f Dagenham with Steel Batch Lot Code 50 and dated 1/1941. Ahh, so it’s British, not American. thank you! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua 32L Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Thank you the information, the wealth of knowledge here is great and I appreciate the response. so my next question may be a dumb one(or not) is my helmet really worth restoring and getting a new liner for, I bought it just to hang on the wall, but is it worth restoring? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted July 19, 2023 Author Share Posted July 19, 2023 I recently restored a ww2 South African helmet and managed to find a used 1940s liner in good condition to put in it. You can see what I did to the helmet stage by stage if you look on page 19 of the ww2 British Brodie thread on this forum and judge for yourself. It all depends on the condition of the helmet shell, the good point is it is well stamped inside the rim, could you post some photo's of the helmet inside and out views would be helpful. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 usmc Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 I have seen a few Snead Victory lamps with brass helmets utilized as shades. Here is an odd brass helmet. I have never observed these at gun or military shows. This is called a "parade" helmet. An interesting complete specimen. Does any collector have and information about these brass U.S. helmets? These are real all brass stamped helmets with brass rivets and a rolled edge. These appear to have also been used by the American Legion as Ceremonial or Honor Guard helmets. However, this Legion helmet may be brass coated over steel. They do not describe its construction and I do not see brass rivets in the photos. I do not know if this Legion specimen is all brass or brass plated. " Original WWI American Legion Helmet in what appears to be a shiny Brass with the original Badge. " This above photo of the legion specimen suggests a possible steel helmet that was brass plated. Look at the build up of the rolled edge and the metal showing through on the scrape to the left. The surface texture looks plated. The Victory lamp helmets utilized as shades and the one with brass rivets are made of all stamped brass; they are not steel plated with brass. The American Legion helmet's surface texture looks plated. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted July 27, 2023 Author Share Posted July 27, 2023 Interesting helmets never seen them before are there any maker stamps on them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 usmc Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 No stamps on the brass ones. I do not own the Legion specimen. An interesting find on a search: Made in Philadelphia by the George Evans & Co. Uniform Makers https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/brass-military-helmet-wwi-brodie-1882526026 The description: Quote This brass helmet (12" x 11" x 4.5", circa 1910-20?) was made in Philadelphia by the George Evans & Co. Uniform Makers (quoting the label inside - visible in 1 photo.) The edges are a little bent. There is a small amount of greenish corrosion on the surface, which would probably polish off. The leather is a little bit dry, but not cracked. It is still supple enough to be serviceable with a good soaking in a leather treatment oil. There is a 1/16 " hole drilled in the center front of the helmet for an insignia, but no insignia came with the helmet. One website suggested that this is a parade helmet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 usmc Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Here is a odd ball on flee bay. This helmet shows the stamp as proof, but does not have a refined rolled edge and they do not show the inside. Scratches show a different metal under the brass paint of thin finish. Some all made of brass and others appear to be painted or thinly coated with a brass coating others are brass plated and show a surface similar to an old 1940s galvanized sheet metal. Sort of snow flake like crystals showing on the helmets surface and gunk on the edges covering an original metal helmet. This one may be painted or coated aluminum as the tag states. It is not made of all brass like the ones found as lamp shades and do not have finished rolled edges. These appear to have been used by the American Legion. WWI US VFW American Legion Aluminum Parade Helmet 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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