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Posted

ok so they are letting collectors and martial arts experts keep theirs but the ban on importing them could cause problems.

Who is to say what is a cheap sword and what is not??

Are they going to hire an expert or what?

so many dark areas,WHat if a martial arts expert goes nut then?

They are taking things to far in my opinion

 

 

 

"LONDON (Reuters) - The government said on Wednesday it would ban the sale of samurai swords because the weapons had been used in a number of serious, high-profile attacks.

 

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The Home Office said the swords would be added to the Offensive Weapons Order from April next year, meaning they could not be imported, sold or hired.

 

However collectors of genuine Japanese swords and those used by martial arts enthusiasts would be exempt from the ban.

 

"In the wrong hands, samurai swords are dangerous weapons," Home Office Minister Vernon Coaker said.

 

"We recognise it is the cheap, easily available samurai swords which are being used in crime and not the genuine more expensive samurai swords which are of interest to collectors and martial arts enthusiasts."

 

The Association of Chief Police Officers said the swords were not a common weapon but they had been used in a number of significant incidents.

 

In 2000, Robert Ashman murdered a Liberal Democrat councillor at the offices of Cheltenham MP Nigel Jones, who was also seriously hurt in the attack.

 

A year earlier, Eden Strang seriously wounded 11 people when he went on the rampage with a samurai sword at a Roman Catholic Church near his home in Thornton Heath, south London.

 

(Reporting by Michael Holden; Editing by Tim Cas

Posted

Hi Dave,

 

to be honest I have no problems with this, at least they are recognising the fact that genuine swords can be owned by collectors and we are not getting tarred with the same brush as knife weilding neds.

 

We have never sold these things and really I can't see much use for them as they are of no historical importance, same goes with the Rambo knifes too,they are very scary things and I think its probably for the best to ban them.

Posted

I rather agree with Kenny. The only thing I would LIKE to see, is a clear way to identify a collector. I do not want to pay massive amounts for a license for swords or weapons but would like a way NOT to be in any trouble.

 

For example, in the USA there is a Collector & Currio Licence (C&R). It costs $50 and lasts for 3 years. It permits the holder to collect any, all and as many historical and military arms and a constantly growing list of collection items during the 3 year period. When the license runs out they may renew to continue to purchase but must not hold a current license to keep the items they already have (I do not believe they may sell any though). Of course an FBI background check is also necessary.

 

I would be perfectly happy with the above if it keeps collectors safe and happy and allows me to import anything I want (or through an established dealer, say Kenny).

 

cheers & happy collecting!

-Greg

 

Hi Dave,

 

to be honest I have no problems with this, at least they are recognising the fact that genuine swords can be owned by collectors and we are not getting tarred with the same brush as knife weilding neds.

 

We have never sold these things and really I can't see much use for them as they are of no historical importance, same goes with the Rambo knifes too,they are very scary things and I think its probably for the best to ban them.

  • 1 month later...
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"LONDON (Reuters) - The government said on Wednesday it would ban the sale of samurai swords because the weapons had been used in a number of serious, high-profile attacks.

 

"In the wrong hands, samurai swords are dangerous weapons," Home Office Minister Vernon Coaker said.

 

"We recognise it is the cheap, easily available samurai swords which are being used in crime and not the genuine more expensive samurai swords which are of interest to collectors and martial arts enthusiasts."

 

The Association of Chief Police Officers said the swords were not a common weapon but they had been used in a number of significant incidents.

 

What a load of crap. It was just a typical knee jerk reaction from a Goverment courting good publicity from the tabloid press.

 

Just one more nail in the coffin of a free society.

 

Next thing you know someone will want to ban you from buying cars above a 1.2L engine

Posted
What a load of crap. It was just a typical knee jerk reaction from a Goverment courting good publicity from the tabloid press.

 

Just one more nail in the coffin of a free society.

 

Next thing you know someone will want to ban you from buying cars above a 1.2L engine

 

Who needs a sword? The Partick Morrisons was knocked off of £25,000 here in Glasgow on Monday. All the theives did was ran up and pushed down the security guards delivering the cash and grabbed the cash box... yay for security!

 

Now try the same if the guards carried a sword... hmm

Posted

I always wanted a tazer gun. Imagine the fun you could have with that.

  • 4 weeks later...
Posted

The draft law document is out:

http://www.oriental-weaponry.co.uk/acatalo...nformation.html

 

Seems CURVED swords of 50cm will be illegal. I have no clue what this does for collectors though martial arts members of legitimate clubs will be permitted to purchase swords.

Posted

Looks fair enough I see swords from before 1954 will be exempt , As long as its just the cheap repros that the neds buy and not collectors items then looks like everything will be OK.

Posted

Thanks for that Kenny! I did not notice the 1954 cut off date, that had me worried as I like to collect sword bayonets and these are often over 50cm with curved blades. Of course I could have argued a bayonet is not a sword but BBC is always showing images of bayonets and not knives when they talk about sword/knife bans. (Note that a bayonet does FAR less slashing damage than a knife and is a blunt unsharpened weapon in most cases).

 

I wonder how they will ID what is pre-1954, everyone knows it is difficult to positively ID the date of many WWII 'Bring back' swords and if they are cheap post-war mock ups or the real thing. Maybe there is a job in that 'government sword inspector' :P

Posted

Yes it looks more positive, hopefully I think the de-act situation will also recognise the historical importance of these items.

Posted
Yes it looks more positive, hopefully I think the de-act situation will also recognise the historical importance of these items.

 

I think I read the De-act situation is going to defuse I do not think (knock on wood) further bans are going to happen. I am monitoring it from a distance though

  • 5 weeks later...
Posted

Well I wake up today to a dull, cold, grey gloomy UK... and why? probably because the sword ban is now 100% in effect

 

So much for collecting (remember curved blade swords over 50cm are banned, exemptions based on age and purpose for use only)....

 

Kenny I hope you were not caught stuck with any in the shop that are now nothing more than display items for you!

Posted

Hi Greg, thankfully we never stocked modern swords so we are OK ,I do know allot of other dealers though who will be hit hard.

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Gawd help us, I wonder just how much new legislation this lot have burdened us with ? and the cost ?

Just how do you define a bonafide collector ? A lot of the repro Jap swords come with fancy stands etc. and I guess you only have to have more than one to make you a collector. Let's face it it is just another law which is impossible to administrate effectively.

I tend to agree about the saw back 12inch blades as personified by Mr. Rambo , also the cheap and nasty deacts, you know, the pressed tin modern machine guns of Egyptian etc. origin. They have no historical value, and most bank clerks aren't going to argue with one of them across the cash desk.

Incidentally, if you fancy a decent airgun I should buy one as soon as possible, they will be next on the list.

Posted

<_<

 

Totally agree with everything you guys have said.

 

In my area of France, ok its rural, there is practically no crime and especially armed crime. This is despite the fact that practically everyone owns firearms to hunt or protect their livestock.

Knives of all sorts are abundant. There are a lot of shops selling edged weapons. A shop in Montignac sell museum quality medieval armour and edged weapons. :D

In the nearest hypermarket concourse there is a stall selling edged weapons including the "Samurai" swords. It's near the cafe so I have watcehed the bloke simply leave it when he goes to the toilet or for a coffee. When he has lunch you pay the lady in the next stall if you want to buy something.

 

I watched the idiotic Cathy Jamieson on TV when she showed CCTV footage of a gang fight. Some of the neds had "swords" but another was laying about with a garden rake! Ban garden rakes!!!!

 

If our politicians actually had the intelligence and integrity to investigate the real causes of crime in UK we would get somewhere. Of course it is easier and more desirable for them to further their own bank balances and careers.

It is clearly not just the availability of weapons that leads to crime but the intent of certain individuals. In that case anything can be used as a weapon.

Posted

I want to bring back weapons but ban MPs... is that possible?

Posted

We have enough lamposts and enough rope. It's possible.

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