Fritz Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 That looks much better, and sturdy enough, better to pad the top part, where the helmet rests. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Her's a picture I saw in internet, these are commercially offered, specially for helmets, in principle no different to your example, both are missing a softer padding, and considering they cost 28 Euros + postage, yours is just as good. And further examples, for caps, not the best idea, as the top will sag considerably. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CluelessTommy Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 Thanks for the kind words. I had thought of a cushion, just forgot to picture it, I cut 12 little pads out of a some foam that was used to package one of my helmets. I intend to glue it to the top as shown. I currently don’t own any caps so that’s a bridge I’ll cross if I come to it. Regards, Jack 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Looks good Jack, a bit of wood stainer or varnish might be an option too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CluelessTommy Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 Yes it could be, I’ll give one a polish tomorrow to see how it looks and if I don’t like it I could always paint over it later. Regards, Jack 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CluelessTommy Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 I decided that I would try and stain one first, but the stem and base went different colours. Despite reapplying on the base multiple times to get it as dark as the stem it didn’t, so gave up and went with paint. I went with white paint first, but didn’t really like that so painted it black looks quite good in my opinion so I think they shall all end up this way. Even if I later decide that another colour would be better it was only 43p per stand or I could sand them and start again. All in all it was cheap, I think they look decent and was a good excuse to not do other work I actually had to do, so a good job all round. Thanks for all the help and ideas, Regards Jack 1st pic: Making sure all the stands work 2nd: The “final” look 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Looking good Jack, what are the dates and makers marks of your Brodie helmets ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CluelessTommy Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 Thanks, The one on the right in the picture above is a British mark II marked: RO & CO EF 1940 on the shell TTC II 1940 on liner The one on the left above is an American M1917 marked: UC 304 Regards, Jack 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Thanks for the photo's Jack, it's always nice to see the stamp marks on these helmets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I think the stands look great in black, your collection is coming along nicely too 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I was given this by my father, I’m not sure what the D represents? Also the only blue ones I’ve seen are UN. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Nice original Rubery Owen made MK4 dated 1952, not sure what the D stands for but the Police used these blue helmets during the 1950s during the cold war period, I think the civil defence also used them. Looking at the black ring round the upper part of the helmet would suggest that its been stored with more helmets on top for some time. The letter D may stand for Decontamination if this helmet was used by the Civil Defence, its only speculation though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryR Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I have a Mk 4 Turtle helmet which is marked Ro co FK 4 1945, the 4 is above the 1945. Looks to be in original paint, but no liner. One thing that is different to all the others is that it has the screw type fitting on the top, not the lift the dot stud. The screw looks original, it's the same colour and the wear marks fit it exactly, but i've not heard of any Mk 4's with screw liner. Either they did make some for the earlier liners, or someone has drilled it out to fit an earlier liner, but quite a long time ago.. I know some people have fitted the screw to pretend their helmet was ww2, when it's really newer, but this has the date in it so that doesn't make sense... I have a Mk3 Turtle helmet too, which was used after the war by the Dutch PTT fire service, unfortunatley they painted it black. I'd ideally like to remove the black paint to show the green underneath, but not sure that's going to be possible, so I may end up painting it... Regards. Gary Edit: since putting this here i've found a chap who also has a 1945 Mk4 with a screw type liner fitted ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Welcome Gary, I've not seen one with a screw type fitting could you post a photo of your helmet, we would appreciate any you can. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryR Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 My Mk4 helmet. Not sure if the screw is original, whether it's been added just to fit a liner someone had.. Did they do this when it was relatively new or more recently. It can't really be to deceive as the stamp in the helmet is clear enough to show it's date.. Did early Mk4's use the screw or were they still lift the dot.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryR Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 This is the Mk3 that i'd like to get the black paint off, not sure if that's possible.. I'd like to use this with our little ww2 display we do at shows, so the black wont fit in, but not sure if repainting it is considered sacrilege? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritz Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Try a commercial paint stripper, this should remove the modern black paint, but the original paintwork should not be affected. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryR Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Fritz said: Try a commercial paint stripper, this should remove the modern black paint, but the original paintwork should not be affected. I am going to try some weak paint stripper, but the black was probably painted in the 50's, so it's not that new. It has a Dutch liner in it too, which is tiny, so It would nice to get hold of a bigger, more appropriate dated liner for it, but they seem hard to find and costly.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I've only seen MK4s with the lift and dot stud, but the screw could be original its hard to tell, have you looked on line for a used liner? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Hi Gary, after a little research I found that the lift and dot was a post war 1950s change, war time Mk4s had the liner held in place by the screw on Simmons screw and nut and washer used on the MK2 and MK3. I also came across a lot of MK4s that the liner had been replaced with the 1976 liner. hope this helps. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryR Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 19/05/2021 at 12:58, leon21 said: Hi Gary, after a little research I found that the lift and dot was a post war 1950s change, war time Mk4s had the liner held in place by the screw on Simmons screw and nut and washer used on the MK2 and MK3. I also came across a lot of MK4s that the liner had been replaced with the 1976 liner. hope this helps. Thanks, that is excellent news. It did make sense for them to be able to use the liners already being used in the war. I have looked for liners, there a quite a few early 40's ones but there don't seem to be any from 44/45, which is what would suit this shell. But now you've said about the screw being used, I had heard that Mk3's were often issed with no liner so the soldier could fit the liner from their existing Mk2 helmet, which would obviosuly fit, so perhaps an earlier liner would not be that incorrect... Thanks.. I like learning new things.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Yes I've come across MK3 helmets with MK2 liners before, Your black MK3 helmet was most likely used by a member of the Civil Defence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryR Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, leon21 said: Yes I've come across MK3 helmets with MK2 liners before, Your black MK3 helmet was most likely used by a member of the Civil Defence. The black one is green under the black paint. It was nicked/acquired by the Dutch after the war and reissued by them. In this case it was used by the PTT fire department, I know that as it has their stencil on the back. Apparently a lot of British Mk3's ended up in the Netherlands after the war. I, obviosuly, want to get it back to it's British army look. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Has your MK3 have any stamp marks, I've come across British Mk2s used by the Dutch with their liners in side also re-painted in civil defence colours, used by various departments after WW2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryR Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 34 minutes ago, leon21 said: Has your MK3 have any stamp marks, I've come across British Mk2s used by the Dutch with their liners in side also re-painted in civil defence colours, used by various departments after WW2. I've got to get some paint stripper as they've also painted the inner rim with black paint. Under the liner is the original green colour. I know it was in the Netherlands as I bought it from there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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