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i was just wondering what the last tank germany made in ww2 was. I thought it was either the king tiger or the but tell me if im wrong . at first i though the panther but hat was late 43 i think . anyone got any ideas

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Hi Reece,

 

Dave's your man for tanks but he is on holiday just now ,will be back in a few weeks time.

 

I'm pretty sure through it was the Panzer VIII Maus or Mouse only a few of these were made and it is doubtful if they ever saw action.I you play the game Stalingrad in the games room you can see these tanks in the game they have the proposed double barrels which were meant to be two 88mm guns these would have been awsome if ever made.Single barrel Maus were made but got captured by the Russians

 

There were also many prototypes such as the E100 but I don't think these were ever completed.There was also a proposed super tank I can't remember what it was called but will find out.

 

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OK found it it was actually developed mid war and was cancelled in 1943 by Albert Speer the name for the tank was Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster and it would have been mental :o

 

here is a picture of it.

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There was also the Ratte look at the size of it compared the the Maus which was totally huge in itself ,it would have carried guns from Battleships :o

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Whoa i wonder why they stoped them producing it i wouldne like to run into one of those in a sherman :lol: thnx

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Are you talking about last produced and released for combat tank or WWII or the last in design or last in testing... muddy waters depending on what you are asking.

 

Kenny is right with the Maus and Landkreuzer though, both were late in design production. The Maus was actually put through protype the Landkreuzer was not. Porsche was involved in some of the late designs for tanks that did see limited battle.

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i mean last to be made and used and last to be made but not produced

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The Maus was produced, there are photos of it supposedly on trials, and being discovered by G.I.s, but never saw action. The hierarchy in the Third Reich seemingly got into a wierd version of military Viagra, they became obsessed witrh the size of their weapons. Some totally impractical projects unvolved highly unmanouverable monsters, or very complex vehicles for which the technology would have been brilliant, but not when you needed maximum tanks to counter the vast amounts of T34s and Stalins being produced.

I have often thought if they had called a halt with the Tiger and Panther, and ironed out the mechanical problems and developed the chassis further, they would have been far better employed than making the Koenigstiger etc. I guess German genius simply overtook them !

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Why stop makeing suh a good tank even though big and the t-34's are quite famous

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One good reason for stopping making it, (The Maus, presumably), was the war was virtually ending, there was a severe shortage of all raw materials, and, vitally, fuel. The T-34 was still effective but the Stalin, with a much larger calibre main weapon, was a superb main battle tank, (It saw service in the Soviet satellite armies, middle east etc. well into the sixties).

Incidentally, though very effective, Soviet armour was pretty rough construction-wise. If you get the chance go down to the RAC tank museum in Bovington take a look at the Russian stuff. The welding seams on the armour are totally unfinished with great lumps of welding almost hanging off. During the winter war a good few just got a coat of whitewash, the life expectancy of a Russian tank was pretty low !

Incidentally the RAC got a few of their Russian exhibits from the Israeli army, they traded Centurion spares for ex-arab Ruskie vehicles disabled during middle eastern wars.

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WOW ! imagin the size of the turret on Landkreuzer P and the power and the size of the shells !!!!

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And imagine what a superb target such an unmanouverable beast would present to a fighter-bomber armed with armour piercing rockets, such as the Typhoon or P-47 ?

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i was just wondering what the last tank germany made in ww2 was. I thought it was either the king tiger or the but tell me if im wrong . at first i though the panther but hat was late 43 i think . anyone got any ideas

hi just a quick note

the germans were producing tanks at the wars end from tigers to panthers. the main tank as in numbers would have been varitions of the panzer mark four from normal tanks model to tank destroyers i.e, sturmgeschuetz 111/1v and jagdpanthers[tank hunters] the reason for these models easier to produce,no turretsfor example.They were trying to build bigger and better tanks but their ideas were to ahead of what they had in the way or technology their ideas can bee seen in later tanks of other nations. the Maus and E100 were jobs in production but don't think they would of worked that well in reality.i.e reliability etc.the russians have a Maus prototype captured at the end of the war i have a model of one i post it later.they were in production but never in service. this is just a quick note not at home at the minute will post afew pics and abit more if anyone wants. Agood book to grt if you can is edited bt Duncan Crow. Armoured Fighting Vehicles Of Germany it covers alot. there are afew others i will post titles later cheers for now.

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The Germans also changed tank design by late in the war. The Maus... no turret heavy front armour and light rear... this is for the type of war now fought by the Germans, defensive where you basically sight the tank into a position like artillery. This is not the light quick fast Blitzkreig attacks they once used the rapidly moving lighter tanks with turrets for. The problem here is the Germans really never adapted their strategy to the new weapons. Battle of the Bulge it was a defensive attack by going on the offensive. Not suited for heavy tanks, they'd have been FAR better with lighter (and more fuel efficient) light tanks.

 

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That's true the King Tigers got bogged down , couldn't cross bridges ect, far too heavy, wrong tank for the wrong place, the pics sound good Sven , look forward to seeing them :thumbsup:

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing.Simply why the t34 was the tank that won the war.Germans had far too many competing projects,great engineering but incmpetent at the same time.Third Reich appeared ordered and organised but was actually a shambolic mess of competing and overlapping ministies and departments.You really see this when you study the social history and not just the military.

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hi just a quick note

the germans were producing tanks at the wars end from tigers to panthers. the main tank as in numbers would have been varitions of the panzer mark four from normal tanks model to tank destroyers i.e, sturmgeschuetz 111/1v and jagdpanthers[tank hunters] the reason for these models easier to produce,no turretsfor example.They were trying to build bigger and better tanks but their ideas were to ahead of what they had in the way or technology their ideas can bee seen in later tanks of other nations. the Maus and E100 were jobs in production but don't think they would of worked that well in reality.i.e reliability etc.the russians have a Maus prototype captured at the end of the war i have a model of one i post it later.they were in production but never in service. this is just a quick note not at home at the minute will post afew pics and abit more if anyone wants. Agood book to grt if you can is edited bt Duncan Crow. Armoured Fighting Vehicles Of Germany it covers alot. there are afew others i will post titles later cheers for now.

hello again

here is afew pics sorry about the quality of them.will get there in the end. All the guys have brought up good points alot of egos were in play with the German war machine, some of the things they tried to do were pie in the sky, but if you look at what the allies tried to do they were not much different everyone was trying to have a wonder weapon and all came up with some crazy things and some practical things you could spend all night talking about one item, as some one said only the victors write history books.Anyway for another time, the pics of the model are in 1/72 scale is a Maus a near complete version captured by the Russians at the end of the war this was the colour it was captured in they have it in a museum some were just can't remember were at the minute the other pics are manily of the Maus there is couple of the E100,

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Hi Sven I agree some of the British inventions were near farcical , Dad's army was more accurate than we might want to admit most of it was based on fact.

 

Here's a question for you all that I only found out recently to do with British Armour ,

 

what do all British tanks have in common ?

 

Steve and G are not allowed to answer this one B)

 

Sven your pictures did not load , no need to redo your post just press the edit button and upload the pictures again. :thumbsup:

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Hi Sven I agree some of the British inventions were near farcical , Dad's army was more accurate than we might want to admit most of it was based on fact.

 

Here's a question for you all that I only found out recently to do with British Armour ,

 

what do all British tanks have in common ?

 

Steve and G are not allowed to answer this one B)

 

Sven your pictures did not load , no need to redo your post just press the edit button and upload the pictures again. :thumbsup:

thanks for the help still getting my head around the pic thing but will get there, only thing i can think of is that alot of tanks were bolted together,as in the armour i bet it is something so obivious but i will wait for your answer, one question i see alot of the lads have ranks are these earned or just given to yourself.

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Hi Sven I see you got them posted :thumbsup: did you make that model yourself?

 

Nope it's not the bolts but you are correct it is very obvious ,well at least it is when you know the answer :D

 

I'll give it another couple of days and if none of the guys get it will break the suspense :D

 

ranks are gained by the more posts you make, you can even make it to Field Marshall but that will take allot of posting :thumbsup:

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:tank:

 

The last individual tank actually made was probably a Panzer IV J. Records show that units such as the Leibstandarte were still recieving new examples even as they went to surrender! :kopkrab:

 

The last design (to enter general service) would have been the Jagdtiger (depends on how you define a "tank").

 

The Panzerwaffe were always hampered by the amount of different vehicles and ammunition issued. There was not the capacity in TR Germany to produce enough. I read recently that the money, time, effort and materials put into the V2 project would have built another 48.000 tanks. :shok0002:

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:tank:

 

The last individual tank actually made was probably a Panzer IV J. Records show that units such as the Leibstandarte were still recieving new examples even as they went to surrender! :kopkrab:

 

The last design (to enter general service) would have been the Jagdtiger (depends on how you define a "tank").

 

The Panzerwaffe were always hampered by the amount of different vehicles and ammunition issued. There was not the capacity in TR Germany to produce enough. I read recently that the money, time, effort and materials put into the V2 project would have built another 48.000 tanks. :shok0002:

hi dave

Yes i think you are not to far away from the mark. They were building stuff right up to the end,didnt know about the bit on the V2 that was crazy, but i guess at that stage of the war it was crazy anyway.The jagdtiger a 150 were ordered but only 70 were built and about 50 of them in 1944. shortages of everything and the bombing at that stage of the war would have made it near impossible to build anything.

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Hi Sven I see you got them posted :thumbsup: did you make that model yourself?

 

Nope it's not the bolts but you are correct it is very obvious ,well at least it is when you know the answer :D

 

I'll give it another couple of days and if none of the guys get it will break the suspense :D

 

ranks are gained by the more posts you make, you can even make it to Field Marshall but that will take allot of posting :thumbsup:

HI Kenny

no probs look forward to the answer i have been looking at pics of brtish tanks and i know it is there,but it is like the old saying about the trees for the forest :rolleyes:

No i didn't build that one got it of ebay from a guy i get models from.I do build models have went back to it after many years away manily tanks. but do the odd ship and plane to.I will post some at some stage when i think they are good enough am abit fussy sometimes.

Thanks for the answer on the ranks question.cheers for

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Cheers Sven,

 

OK I'll tell you , it is not really that exciting but I found it quite interesting.

 

All British tanks after the Matilda started with the letter C ie Churchill, Centurion , Crusader, Comet, etc.

 

not really sure why they do it , but I hadn't noticed until someone pointed it out.

 

Not as exciting as Tiger, Panther , Elelphant etc but I suppose they had thought of it first as usual. :violent-smiley-090:

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