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Hi Pags,

 

welcome to the forum :thumbsup: what nationality is the helmet?

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Hi Pags,

 

welcome to the forum :thumbsup: what nationality is the helmet?

Hello

It is a WW1British Brodie edged round the rim It has the oil cloth liner with red Brodie stamp inside.

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Welcome Pag3s,

 

Can you tell me what type of rivets are securing the chinstrap loops/lugs, splitpin or normal rivets.

and could you post a photo of the underside of the helmet please, it would be most helpful.

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Hi Pag3s, the splitpins are correct, what you may have is a Mark 1 British made Brodie Helmet, the stamp markings 7A241 is normaly

the Manufacturers letter stamp, the steel Suppliers letter stamp and the batch number of steel used.

The No 7 for Manufacturer is strange, never come across that before.

The A Suppliers stamp could be for-Edgar Allen & Co Ltd Imperial Steel Works Tinsley Sheffield - !916 - 1918.

The 241 is the heat stamp/batch number of steel used.

 

Here's a Advertisement Booklet for Edgar Allen & Co Ltd 1918.post-3823-0-19085400-1423495475_thumb.jpgpost-3823-0-71116100-1423495495_thumb.jpg

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Hi Pag3s,

Yes it is ZA241 which is a M1917 shell made in America with a British MK1 Liner, Which as you said has been fitted at

a later date looking at the spiltpins they look fairly new.

 

The steel for the M1917 was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Company and stamped with the Heat/Shipment No.

The helmet bowl shapes were pressed by 7 different Manufacturing Company's and the liners made by 10 shoe Company's.

The shells and liners would then be delivered to the plant of the Ford Motor Co of Philadelphia were they were painted and

assembled.

 

Below are examples of the M1917 Helmet and liner, and the British MK1 Helmet and liner. There's very little difference

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  • 2 months later...

Hello I have a question, I have what I think is a 1917 era WW1 British helmet. It has the rolled edge, pad,

donut, typical chinstrap housings, but the maker is not one I know. Looks like a small "BS" and right under

is a larger D/O with what looks like a seated lion. If anyone can help I would appreciate it, thanks!

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Welcome to the forum Gildwiller1918.

 

Yes what you have is indeed a 1917 British Brodie Helmet.

 

The seated lion mark is the trademark for Bury's & Co of Regent Works Sheffield, and the small BS could stand for Bury's Steel

or Bury's Sheffield.

 

The D = Manufacturer, James Dixon & Sons Sheffield.

 

The O = Steel Supplier, Samuel Osborne & Co Clyde St Works Sheffield.

 

And Steel Batch Lot Number Used 21.

 

So Osborne's supplied Bury's with the Steel who rolled it into sheets, it then went to Dixons to be pressed into bowl shapes

painted and fitted with liners.

 

For an alternative answer go to your other post.

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  • 6 years later...

I have my uncle’s WWI helmet, ZA241. It has a white star with a yellow Indian head profile in it.  What do these two symbols mean?

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Hello Linda, its hard to be certain without an image, but from your description, it sounds like the insignia for the US 2nd Infantry Division. Different shapes and colors behind the star indicated specific units. Any way you can post an image? 

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