pag3s Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 My WW1 helmet has the markings 7A241 stamped on the underneath of the rim, what does this marking mean? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Andrew Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Hi Pags, welcome to the forum what nationality is the helmet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pag3s Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Hi Pags, welcome to the forum what nationality is the helmet? Hello It is a WW1British Brodie edged round the rim It has the oil cloth liner with red Brodie stamp inside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Welcome Pag3s, Can you tell me what type of rivets are securing the chinstrap loops/lugs, splitpin or normal rivets. and could you post a photo of the underside of the helmet please, it would be most helpful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hi Pag3s, the splitpins are correct, what you may have is a Mark 1 British made Brodie Helmet, the stamp markings 7A241 is normaly the Manufacturers letter stamp, the steel Suppliers letter stamp and the batch number of steel used. The No 7 for Manufacturer is strange, never come across that before. The A Suppliers stamp could be for-Edgar Allen & Co Ltd Imperial Steel Works Tinsley Sheffield - !916 - 1918. The 241 is the heat stamp/batch number of steel used. Here's a Advertisement Booklet for Edgar Allen & Co Ltd 1918. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pag3s Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Images at last Regards John 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Hi Pag3s, Yes it is ZA241 which is a M1917 shell made in America with a British MK1 Liner, Which as you said has been fitted at a later date looking at the spiltpins they look fairly new. The steel for the M1917 was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Company and stamped with the Heat/Shipment No. The helmet bowl shapes were pressed by 7 different Manufacturing Company's and the liners made by 10 shoe Company's. The shells and liners would then be delivered to the plant of the Ford Motor Co of Philadelphia were they were painted and assembled. Below are examples of the M1917 Helmet and liner, and the British MK1 Helmet and liner. There's very little difference between them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pag3s Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 Thank you for all all info Thatis a bit of downer, thought it was a Brit, better find an American liner then John 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gildwiller1918 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hello I have a question, I have what I think is a 1917 era WW1 British helmet. It has the rolled edge, pad, donut, typical chinstrap housings, but the maker is not one I know. Looks like a small "BS" and right under is a larger D/O with what looks like a seated lion. If anyone can help I would appreciate it, thanks! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon21 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Welcome to the forum Gildwiller1918. Yes what you have is indeed a 1917 British Brodie Helmet. The seated lion mark is the trademark for Bury's & Co of Regent Works Sheffield, and the small BS could stand for Bury's Steel or Bury's Sheffield. The D = Manufacturer, James Dixon & Sons Sheffield. The O = Steel Supplier, Samuel Osborne & Co Clyde St Works Sheffield. And Steel Batch Lot Number Used 21. So Osborne's supplied Bury's with the Steel who rolled it into sheets, it then went to Dixons to be pressed into bowl shapes painted and fitted with liners. For an alternative answer go to your other post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 I have my uncle’s WWI helmet, ZA241. It has a white star with a yellow Indian head profile in it. What do these two symbols mean? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gildwiller1918 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Hello Linda, its hard to be certain without an image, but from your description, it sounds like the insignia for the US 2nd Infantry Division. Different shapes and colors behind the star indicated specific units. Any way you can post an image? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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