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Here's a list of known makers of British WW1/WW2 helmets and Liner Markings.

 

British Steel Suppliers of WW1 British Helmets.

 

V = Vickers Ltd of Sheffield.......................1916 - 1917.

MS= Miris Steel Co Ltd of London..............1916 - 1917.

FS= T.Firth & Sons Ltd of Sheffield............1916 - 1918. (  also used "F" and "FKS" marks )..

O = S. Osborne & Co Ltd of Sheffield........1916 - 1918.

A = Edgar Allen & Co Ltd of Sheffield ......1916 - 1918.

M&S = J & J Maxfield & Sons Ltd Sheffield.1916 - 1918. ( Possibly also used "MLS" marks ).

B = Bury's & Co Ltd of Sheffield................1916 - 1918.

BS= W.Beardmore & Co Ltd of Glasgow....1916 - 1919.

HS= Hadfield Ltd of Sheffield......................1916 - 1919.

 

Known Makers of WW1 British Helmets.

 

D = J. Dixon & Sons Ltd of Sheffield .............. 1915.

V = W & E Viener Ltd of Sheffield.................. 1915.

M = J&J Maxfield & Sons Ltd of Sheffield .......1915.

H = Hutton & Sons Ltd of Sheffield................. 1915.

HH = Harrison Bros & Howson Ltd of Sheffield. 1915..

R = John Round & Sons Ltd of Sheffield. 1916.

 

Known Makers of WW2 British Helmets.

 

AMC = Austin Motor Co Cowley. 1941.

BMB = Briggs Motor Bodies Ltd of Dagenham. 1939 - 1943.

BS = William Beardmore Steel Co of Glasgow.

F & L= Fisher & Ludlow Ltd of Birmingham. 1939 - 1942.

WDS = William Dodson & Sons of Birmingham. 1938 - 1941

Helmets Ltd = Helmets Ltd of Wheathampstead.

RO & CO = Rubery Owen & Co Ltd of Leeds. ( Spelled as RO.CO or RO & CO ). 1939 - 1943.

JSS = Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd Bilston . 1938 - 1941.

C. = Clydesdale Stamping Co Ltd. Dudley. 1939 - 1940.

HBH = Harrison Bros & Howson. Sheffield. 1938 - 1940.

EC & CO = E Camelinat & Co Ltd Birmingham. 1939 - 1942.

SO = Samual Osborne & Co Ltd. Sheffield.

SC = Steel Ceillings Ltd. Hayes. 1939 - 1940

EBW = Eveson Bros of Worchester. 1939 - 1943

PPM = Patent Pulp Manufacturing Co Ltd Thetford. ( Tank Crew and Motorcycle Dispatch Helmets ).

 

Known Makers of British Helmet Liners.

 

BMB 1 = Briggs Motor Bodies Ltd of Dagenham.........1939 - 1945.

BH & G = Barrow Hepburn & Gale Ltd. London...........1939 - 1940.

FFL 2 = Fisher. Foil. Ltd.............................................1942 - 1945

Helmets Ltd 1 = Helmets Ltd of Wheathampstead.......1937 - 1943.

Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.........................1937 - 1944.

TTC 1 = Teddy Toy Co Ltd. Dagenham.......................1939 - 1942.

FFC 2 = ?.

SNL 2 = S.E.Norris Ltd. Dagenham. ( also "N" Ltd 2 ).1940.

JCS&W= J. Crompton Sons & Webb Ltd. London........1938 - 1943.

CCL 2 = Christy & Co Ltd London................................1940 - 1945.

LWL = Lane & Whittaker Ltd..........................................1940

G.& S = Gimson & Slater of Nottingham........................1943

F&L 1 = Fisher & Ludlow Ltd Birmingham.....................1939 - 1942

AG = A.Garstin & Co Ltd.

LPC = ?..........................1941

PPM = Patent Pulp Manufacturing Co Ltd Thetford.

J&AJB 2 = ?...................1941

E & R = ?.......................1941

 

Commonwealth Helmet & Liner Makers.

 

Known Makers of Canadian WW2 Helmets.

 

CL/C = Canadian Motor Lamp Co. of Windsor.............1940 - 1943

AG/C = Aluminium Goods Co. of Toronto....................1942 exclusively

GSW = General Steel Wares. of Toronto.....................1940 - 1942

 

Known Makers of Canadian WW2 Liners.

 

Baskstay Standard Co of Ontario. ( Also made chinstraps ).

Viceroy Manufacturing Co of Toronto. ( C/Arrow 144 ) and VMC )...1940 - 1945

Scully Manufacturing Co of Montreal.

 

Known Makers of Australian WW2 Helmets.

 

CS. = Commonwealth Steel Co (Australia ). Waratah ( NSW ).

John Heine & Son Ltd Sydney.

 

Known Makers of Australian WW2 Liners.

 

Dunlop. = Dunlop Rubber Co Ltd Sydney. ( Aust & NZ ) 1940 - 1945

 

 

Known Makers of South African WW2 Helmets.

 

TSP = Transvaal Steel Pressing Syndicate Ltd Johnnesburg.

 

Known Makers of South African WW2 Liners.

 

Jager Rand.& ( mark- Broad Arrow inside Letter "U" )...1940 - 1942

 

Known Makers of New Zealand WW2 Helmets.

 

NPZ marked commonly referred as made by New Zealand Pressings, but helmet shells imported from Australia made by CS and

assembled by General Motors Petone Wellington.The helmet lugs were made by Precision Engineering Co they supplied

only 40,000 to General Motors and had stamped them ( nPz 1941 ) this was the only consignment ever made by this firm.

The liners were made by Dunlop Rubber Co Ltd.

 

This list is on going if you know of any more please let us know.

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Here's a few images of British WW2 liner maker marks.

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Here are 3 images of WW1 MK1 helmet stamps.

 

First example is HV. 318. typical markings were the designation of Manufacturer followed by designation of steel supplier

followed by batch lot number of steel used.

So HV.318. = W.Hutton & Sons.( Manufacturer ) Vickers Ltd.( Steel Supplier ) and Steel Batch 318 ).

next we have HS.255. = Hafield Ltd. ( both Manufacturer and Steel Supplier ) and Steel Batch 255 ).

next we have FKS.8. = ( Probably Thomas Firth & Sons Ltd.( again both Manufacturer and Steel Supplier ) and Steel Batch 8).

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Were the US Brodie Helmets originally made in the UK and supplied to the US troops when they entered WWI or were all US Brodie helments made stateside?

 

Interesting how the US kept the helmet right up to the start of WWII and then ditched it for the M1 helmet.

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Shortly after the US declaration of war in April of 1917 the US ordered around 400,000 helmets from the British for use by

the American Expeditionary Force. While the US Manufacturers developed their own M1917 helmet and got production

up to speed, very few of the M1917s made it to the Western Front before the Armistice. It was replaced by the M1917AI

in the late 1930s - 1941 and the M1 helmet and liner was phased in 1941 - 1942.

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I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour.

 

It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. I find the M1 an excellent helmet when properly adjusted. I bought a M1 Vietnam era helmet through mail order surplus years ago and turns out they grabbed me a very collectable M1C paratrooper helmet :)

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Here's a MKII Brodie helmet I have used by the Police force, shell marked ( G 31 BMB 1939 ).

 

In 1939 BMB Ltd overhauled its design to cheapen and simplify the construction of the MKI Liner, they removed the big

oval crown pad and replaced it with a solid piece of X shaped rubber. This was attached using the Liner attachment bolt

rather than the 4 separate rivets of the MKI Liner, they also replaced the folded sorbo rubber pads with solid moulded

rubber buffer pads these just slotted into holes in the fibre crown strips, rather than having to be riveted on like the MKI

Liner. The War Office approved this new efficient Liner design on 21st June 1939 with production starting immediately in

BMB Ltd. It wasn't until early 1940 that MKII Liner production took off outsde BMB.

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Here's it is Kenny,

 

 

5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA.

 

 

Can you paste this video to the thread Kenny.

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The American M1917 helmet shells were pressed and stamped into bowl shapes by 7 company's they were.

 

E.G.Budd. Manufaturing Co - Philadelphia - Pennsylvania.

Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan.

Crosby Co - Buffalo - New York.

Bossett Corporation - Utica - New York.

Columbian Enameling & Stamping Co - Terre Haute - Indiana.

Worchester Pressed Steel Co - Worchester - Massachusetts.

Benjamin Electric Co - Des Plaines - Illinois.

 

The steel for the M1917 helmets was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Co and were stamped with a Heat No

and Shipment No.

The helmet liners were made by 10 Shoe Manufacturing Company's, the shells and liners would be delivered to the

plant of Ford Motor Co of Philadelphia were they were painted and assembled.

 

Known Heat Stamp Marks of M1917 shells.

 

UC.

YJ.

ZA.

ZB.

ZC.

ZD.

ZE.

ZF.

ZH.

ZJ.

 

So ZC-305 thought to belong to Columbian Enameling & Stamping Co.

 

Known M1917 Helmet Liner Manufacturers Stamp Marks.

 

Leatherwear Co of America - Brooklyn - New York.

A.J.Bates - Webster - Massachusetts.

L.C.C.&.Co - 1917.

R.H.Long.&.Co.

A.E.Little Co - Boston.

 

 

This list is on going if you know of any more please let us know.

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Here's 3 examples of the heat marks.post-3823-0-12449100-1401961851_thumb.jpgpost-3823-0-34018800-1401961868_thumb.jpgpost-3823-0-68158900-1401961889_thumb.jpg

 

And 3 examples of liner stamp marks.post-3823-0-20325900-1425220958_thumb.jpgpost-3823-0-17191300-1425220981_thumb.jpgpost-3823-0-33530700-1425221002_thumb.jpg

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Private Purchase Helmets ( Non Metal Type )

 

After the fall of Dunkirk steel helmets were scarce and priority of steel helmets went to the Government and armed services.

So some manufacturers started making the Non-Metal type that could be bought privately.

Here are 3 examples.

 

Pic 1. A Bakelite/Plastic helmet made by Plasfort.

 

Pic 2 A Fiber/Cardboard helmet called the Cromwell Protector made by the firm Cromwell.

 

Pic 3 A Leather helmet also made by Cromwell.

 

All 3 types were used mainly in Ammunition Factory's and had a leather or rubberised chinstraps, some Officers in the Home

Guard used the Bakelite helmets.

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Here are examples of the 3-hole and 4-hole Brodies.

 

The MK2 Brodie Helmet with 3-hole triangle on brim indicating it was made of mild steel and not fit for combat use, was only

for Civil or Home Front Services, but was still stronger than the 4-hole version and civilian Zuckerman helmets.

 

The MK2 Brodie 4-hole version was made of the lowest grade mild steel and again to be used by Home Front Services.

 

Pic 1 of the 3-hole triangle version.

 

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Here is an example of the South African Brodie type helmet with 3-holes, ( not to be confused with the British 3-hole Brodie ).

 

In WW2 South Africa began production of its own helmets, based on the British MKII with a copy of the early MKI liner.

The bodies were made by Transvaal Steel Pressing Syndicate, and the liners by Jager Rand. And 3-holes were punched

between the skull and rear rim, it is thought these were to attach a curtain type neck flap but the use of such was uncommon

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Great helmet!

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Here are two  helmets made by Rubery Owen & Co Ltd of Leeds 1939 to 1943.

 

The first is a NFS Fire Service district No 24 Birmingham maker stamped RO&CO NB 1939 their first year of production,

with a MKI liner made by Helmets Ltd of Wheathampstead 1937 to 1941 and stamped 1939, also has the wearers id

number on the inside rim.

 

Second is a MKII made in 1942 and stamped as RO.CO DN 1942,the helmet is painted red which is normally associated

with a Fire Brigade/Dept, it has the wearers name and id number which I believe is Indonesian.

The MKII liner is 1942 made by the Teddy Toy Co of Dagenham 1939 to 1942 which was their last year of production, it's not in

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Were fire brigade helmets only used during the war for obvious reason or were they used after as a form of early fire helmet? German fire brigades used modified WWII helmets well into the 60s and I think in East Germany even later with attached leather neck guards and large air vents.

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The NFS was in service from 1941 till 1948 when it was disbanded and the Fire Services reverted to the Local County Authority.

The years following WW2 was a time of great shortages for the new UK Fire Forces, so much so that they were even asked to

save the pins/paperclips and folder covers from the NFS files they were throwing away.

I'm sure they just carried on using the NFS equipment they had to hand. A new made to measure fire tunic with greater protective

quality was introduced in 1953/54 and a new type of helmet was issued to all members of the new Fire Brigade.

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Hi Colin, any idea what this maker is? looks like ES3? ,it's on a Police helmet we just got in today.

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Hi Kenny, looks like EC3 to me which would be E.Camelinat Sheet Metal Pressings Co, Albion Works, Carver St B/Ham, who

pressed the bowl shapes for the Brodie helmet from 1939 to 1942.

A lot of these police brodie helmets only have the steel supplier and batch number stamp marks on them, the date stamp could

be under the chin strap lug.

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Here's an example of another Police Brodie helmet stamped just G30 and faint date mark.post-3823-0-05806000-1422565295_thumb.jpg

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thanks Colin, I'll take a look at the helmet again tomorrow when I'm back at the shop :thumbsup:

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Have a look at the liner, see if there's a date and maker mark on it to help date the helmet.

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Hi Colin, yes think it is EC3.There is also a faint stamp next to this which I think you can see in the picture which looks like it might be 39.

 

Can't see anything on the liner as it is covered with a big circular wool pad which looks like your BMB Police helmet has.

 

The wool pad in this helmet is on top of the black liner straps where the date usually is, your circular wool pad looks to be underneath the black liner straps.

 

Hope this makes sence , it's quite difficult to explain ?

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Yes know what you mean, the 39 will be the year mark which was their first year of production. :thumbsup:

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