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British 1937 pattern waistbelt ?


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Bought a box of British mix lot on a car boot at the weekend, in it was a 1937 pattern light green blanco coloured waistbelt with brass buckle and sliders and stamped with a Stores Ref No CN/AA.0228 = Small, can't make out the date or maker. anybody any idea's?. ie- pre war- or - WW2 - or- post war. also with it a cap badge, pin badge, R.A. shoulder tab and A.R.P. button £12 the Lot. what a bargain.

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sorry no luck, I took the image and ran it through photoshop, played with the contrast and colour levels but really hard to make out what it says even then

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Done a little bit of research on it.

Stores references, 

These did not exist until after the Great War and were not actually marked on until 1944/45. They took the form "AA" as a prefix derived from the section of the Vocabulary of Army Ordnance Stores ( V.A.O.S ) being section A1, Helmets and Accoutrements, the full code prefix was therefore "A1/AA".

When the contents of section A1 of ( V.A.O.S ) were transferred from Didcot Ordnance Depots Accounts to Branstons, they also changed to a new section CN raised under the Cataloque of Clothing and Necessaries ( CCN ) so section A1 became CN/AA, items introduced during the war had been given provisional codes in a 5000 sequence.

Economy measures were introduced to the waistbelt during WW2, the use of sheradised steel fittings was introduced these had a greyish rough surface texture and were not polished. Although the Army Council Instruction ( A.C.I ) 703/1943 commented that mixed fittings in brass and steel would be encountered, it did not mention the other changes; the belt slides were changed to narrow webbing and the hooks brass with tip were deleted instead a smaller hook ( brass or steel ) was stitched directly onto the belt ends. In the early 1950s the metal fittings changed again to bonderised steel appearing as a matt black finish, this also led to a coding variation appearing as CN/B/XXXX or CN/XXXX/B.

Pic.1. 1939 made all brass fittings waistbelt.

Pic.2. 1943 made variation with no back buckles..

Pic 3. 1945 made web slides and steel belt end hooks.

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Stores References ( Part Two ).

Provisional codes given in the 5000 sequence, these did not officially exist,ie,their addition to ( V.A.O.S ) had not been ordered. So the 1951 transfer brought about a plain "CN" prefix with no reference to their origins in the AA 5000 sequence codes. Pattern 37 Web Equipment was still in service when the ( CCN and VAOS ) were combined into the Catalogue of Ordnance Stores and Ammuntion ( C.O.S.A.) but still as section "CN" ( Accoutrements and Steel Helmets ). In Post War period as early as 1958 ( in one instance ),Partially by 1965 and fully by 1970, the old "CN" codes had changed to NATO, Item Identification Numbers ( N.I.I.N.) of the form 8465-99-973-6076 Attachment, Brace, Webbing, Cotton, Drab, Webb, Equipment 1937 Pattern.

Group,84 (Clothing, Individual, Equipment and Insignia ).

Class 8465 ( Individual Equipment )

Nation code No 99 ( Indicating the UK )

N.I.I.N. 9736076 ( Attachment,Brace,Ect,Split to 973-6076 for ease of reference.

Hope this will help if you come across one stamped with a store code.

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 Bata was a Shoe Company had a factory in East Tilbury also made clothes , probably made waist belts under licence for the two main manufactures (Mill Equipment Company ( M.E.Co. ) and M.Wright & Sons (M.W.&S. ) who could not meet demand. A huge number of firms were brought in many not remotely connected with manufacturing accoutrements. This led to differences as none had looms capable of reduction weaving or integral weaving.

Here's some scanned photos of the one I've got.

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  • 6 years later...

Later web belts and straps are well known for their steel fittings and the webbing sliders. Just a late war economy measure, as brass would be getting short, as in many war economies. Can't make any sense out of the stamp marks, letters and numbers.

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