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  1. 1. Großherzoglich Mecklenburgisches Dragoner Regiment Nr. 17 IX. Armee Korps - Altona / Kommand.General: Gen.Lt. von Quast 17. Division - Schwerin / Gen.Lt. von Winterfeld 17. Kav.Brigade - Schwerin / Gen.Major Graf v. Schimmelmann Garnison: - Ludwigslust Chef d. Regts. General der Kavallerie, Friedrich Franz IV. Großherzog von Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Königliche Hoheit Kommandeur: Oberstleutnant v.d. Heyden-Rynsch Stiftungstag des Regiments: 1. August 1819 Errichtung: Ein am 2. April 1813 aus Freiwilligen errichtetes Mecklenburg-Strelitzsches Husaren-Regiment, das an der Seite der Yorkschen Truppen unter der Führung von GFM Blücher gekämpft hatte, wurde nach den Befreiungskriegen wieder aufgelöst. Dieses Regiment war der Vorläufer der in Mecklenburg bald darauf formierten stehenden Reitertruppe. 1819 befahl der Großherzog Friedrich Franz I. die Aufstellung einer Eskadron, die der Stamm eines zukünftigen Chevaulegers-Regiments sein sollte. Im Laufe der Jahre wurde diese Truppe zahlenmäßig so verstärkt, dass ab 1837 die Bezeichnung Dragoner-Regiment tragend, bis 1841 auf die Stärke eines wirklichen Kavallerie-Regiments mit der Garnison in Ludwigslust angewachsen war. Im Jahre 1867 erfolgte der Beitritt der Großherzoglich Mecklenburgischen Truppen zum Norddeutschen Bund unter dem Oberbefehl des Königs von Preußen. Am 28. September 1867 erhielt das Stamm-Regiment die Bezeichnung 1. Großherzoglich Mecklen-burgisches 1. Dragoner-Regiment Nr.17. Ende 1872 wurde in einer Militärkonvention zwischen Preußen und Mecklenburg vereinbart, dass ab 1. Januar 1873 die Mecklenburgischen Truppen in das IX. Armee-Korps eingegliedert werden. Am 1. Januar 1873 erhielt das Regiment daraufhin die letzte Namensänderung in 1. Großherzoglich Mecklenburgisches Dragoner-Regiment Nr.17. Aus den Feldzügen: Im Jahre 1849 wurde die Stammtruppe im Rahmen des Preußischen Neckar-Korps gegen die Aufständischen in Baden eingesetzt. Im Feldzug gegen Österreich 1866 stand Mecklenburg zur Seite Preußens. Das Stamm-Regiment wurde im Verband der mecklenburgischen Division der Preußischen Main-Armee zugeordnet, war aber noch an den letzten Gefechten gegen bayerische Truppen beteiligt. Im September 1866 kehrte das Regiment nach Ludwigslust zurück. Im Feldzug gegen Frankreich 1870/71 operierte die 17. Kavallerie Großherzoglich Mecklenburgisches Dragoner-Regiment Nr. 17 und Nr. 18 innerhalb der 17. Infanterie-Division, die alle mecklenburgischen Truppen umfasste, gemeinsam. Zunächst bezog die Brigade im August 1870 Küstenwacht bei Hamburg. Anschließend wurde sie zur Belagerung von Metz beordert und rückte nach der Einnahme von Toul am 23. September 1870 auf Paris vor. Im November 1870 wurde die Brigade von Paris abgezogen und gegen die französische Loire-Armee bei Orléans, Chartres und Le Mans eingesetzt. Im Januar 1871 wurde die Brigade nach Nordfrankreich in den Raum Rouen verlegt. Nach Kriegsende kehrte die Brigade am 15. Juni 1871 in die festlich geschmückte Garnisonstadt Ludwigslust zurück. Uniform: Waffenrock aus kornblumenblauem Tuch, schwedische Aufschläge, rote Abzeichenfarbe, an Kragen und Aufschlägen gelbe Gardelitzen, Helm mit gelbem Stern und neusilbernem Wappen, sonst Beschläge und Knöpfe gelb, schwarzer Haarbusch, Namenszug mit Krone, Landeskokarde: blau, gelb, rot, Lanzenflagge: gelb-rot. Weltkrieg 1914 bis 1918: Nach den vorhandenen Unterlagen nahm das Regiment an allen Kriegseinsätzen nur im Verband der 17. Kavallerie-Brigade mit dem 2. Großherzoglich Mecklenburgischen Dragoner-Regiment Nr. 18 teil. Ein chronologischer Ablauf der Ereignisse kann nicht mehr nachvollzogen werden. Soweit noch feststellbar, nahm die Brigade zunächst 1914 im Westen am Vormarsch nach Frankreich, dann nach der Verlegung in den Osten an Kampfhandlungen in den Räumen Warschau, Kowno, Wilna und Kurland teil. Im Januar 1919 kehrte die Brigade nach Ludwigslust zurück und wurde demobilisiert. Die Tradition des Dragoner-Regiments Nr. 17 wurde später von der A-Eskadron des Reiter-Regiments Nr. 14 in Ludwigslust übernommen. Literatur: Geschichte des 1. Großherzoglich Mecklenburgischen Dragoner-Regiments Nr. 17, Band 2 von Freiherr von Troschke, Berlin 1938 Die Preußischen Kavallerie-Regimenter 1913/14 by Hugo F.W.Schulz, Podzun-Pallas Verlag and Weltbild-Verlag, ca. 1992 See also previous articles, Alfred Gottwald and Dragoner-Regiment 17 Translation to follow
  2. I refer to your posts "Großherzoglich Mecklenburgisches Dragoner Regiment Nr. 17" (English Version) and "Dragoner-Regt.17 - Casualties, 1914-18." Among the casualties listed there is the following: Dragoner THIELKE Otto [died] 12.08.1914 [battle] Haelen 1. Feld-Esk. I have recently acquired (in the U.S.) a German military/cavalry beer stein that bears the name Otto Thielke and I would like to know whether the name on the stein and your list correspond to the same man. For reference, I am including below the lines on the stein. Unfortunately they are are hard to read because she characters in German script are faded way. Wer treu gedient hat seine Zeit dem ein voller Krug geweih... (?) Stolz zu pols die Kavallerie, auf dem Posten Spät und Frük Ein Kühler Trunk , vom Menschen sein Schmeckt uns nochmal to rein Es lebe hoch das Regiment, das Majestät die Perle neunf Uber Hecken und Bäune dem Feind kein Pardon Soweit un Sturm die 4. Eskadron Zum Andenken n. m. Diensfzeif 1. [or 4. perhaps] Garde Reg. Folsdam 1905-08 The stein includes three cavalry scenes, a pewter lid with a dragoner, and a lithophane depicting a young man. I could send you pictures via email. My assumption is that the Otto Thielke was a member of the regiment described on the stein (1905-08) and became a member of the Großherzoglich Mecklenburgisches Dragoner Regiment Nr. 17 before WWI. How the stein in question ended up in the US remains a mystery. Fernando
  3. Alfred Gottwald, Dragoner Gefreiter, 1892-1961 served in 1. Großherzoglich Mecklenburgisches Dragoner-Regiment No. 17 in Ludwigslust Alfred Gottwald served with this regiment before outbreak of war. When war broke out in August 1914 he probably served with that same regiment, which was expedited with the IX. Armee Korps towards Belgium, where the German advance began. It saw action together with its sister regiment. D.R.18 within the 17th Cavalry Brigade and 17th Division. Shortly after it was transferred to the Eastern Front in the areas of Warsaw, Wilna and Kurland,. Gefreiter Gottwald remained in service till mid 1917, when he received a wound in the upper thigh, making him unfit for further duty. He had married his sweetheart on 23rd September 1916. Their daughter Luise (Liesel) was born in 1919. During WW2 Alfred assisted with the Luftschutz and helped to save the local brewery in Wandsbek, which had been in flames after Allied bombing, presumably in 1943. The family was bombed out in 1943 and had to move to makeshift accomodation. They managed to save some family papers and photos. Unfortunately his souvenirs of WW1 and the regiment, including a regimental stein to Dragoner Regt.17 were lost in the bombing. It is not known whether he had any war decorations. The daugther always rememberd the mug (Bierstein or Bierkrug) with a see through picture at the base of the mug depicting a horses head. Photo, said to have been taken on the wedding day, 23. September 1916. He is wearing informal dress in the photo, the tunic could be either a light grey Litewka or perhaps a fieldgrey Bluse, tunic is styled in the form of the latter, but looks very light in the photo. The shoulder pieces are in solid colour, either the peacetime version in red with yellow monograms, or the new 1915 pattern. On the high turndown collar are red patches with a yellow double Garde-Litzen. The trousers are in a darker shade than the tunic, the sideseams red-piped, either fieldgrey or the black/darkblue peacetime variety?
  4. A pair of shoulder straps for the peacetime uniform of Großherzoglich Mecklenburgisches Dragoner-Regiment 17 in Ludwigslust. The uniform was a lightish cornflower blue, which could vary in tone, all buttons were bright copper coloured, all facings bright red, the collar and swedish cuffs had yellow Gardelitzen, the shoulder straps bore a mirrored FF Monogram for Friedrich Franz III. von Mecklenburg-Schwerin. These shoulder straps were on all other ranks uniforms up to and including the rank of Wachtmeister. The straps are not quite a matching pair, but almost identical. Extremely rare. Shoulder straps on the peacetime uniform were always stitch-in variety. Alfred Gottwald from Wandsbek, served in this regiment during WW1 and before (1892-1961)
  5. Shown here is a photo taken of Alfred Freddy Gottwald jr. showing him wearing army uniform, presumably Artillery. Alfred jr. served with both the army and Luftwaffe Flak, see further photo. He had contracted a serious illness in the swamps of Northern Russia- Wolhynisches Fieber - and was unfit for anything other than light duties, such as Flak. The last photo shows a family get together around 1951. The son-in-law (Walter) from the Luftwaffe is missing. The picture shows son Freddy with bride Ilse, daughter Luise (Liesel) and granddaughter Birgitt, born 1941.
  6. Alfred Gottwald was wounded 1917 in Russia, probably around Dünaburg, which was about as far as the Germans got in the North (apart from Finnland). Unfortunately, there is no further info on Alfred Gottwald, as his daughter passed away at the age of 92 in August 2011, and all I know is what she told me, and that from memory - she especially remembered the Beer-Krug with the horsehead image at the base. At the time of the air raids on Hamburg in July 1943 she was married and safely (at the time) living in Austria. Otherwise nobody spoke much about WWI. Alfred was also "Hufschmied" or blacksmith in the regiment - as well as a cavalryman, also responsible for re-shoeing the horses of his squadron. Alfred passed away in 1961, excesive smoking hadnt helped. Unfortunately there is not much info on his Regiment for WW1 - however, someone has compiled a list of all (or at least most) casualties during WW1, which was originally on a monument errected for this Regiment. in Ludwigslust - I don't know if the monument still exists, as most monuments within the DDR were removed and destroyed after 1945. However, it is interesting to note with the casualties, the place of death, which for 1914 was Belgium and France and after about 1915 being Eastern Front areas. The list of casulaties may be found under this link: http://denkmalprojekt.org/2012/1-grossherzoglich-mecklenburgisches-dragoner-reg-nr-17.html Here also is a photo from September 1941 at Geesthacht/Elbe, silver wedding showing Alfred with wife and daughter Luise and son Freddy in Flak uniform.
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