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  1. It looks like the doppelgänger conspiracy has just been disproved. New Scientist 22 January 2019 By Rowan Hooper Exclusive: DNA solves Rudolf Hess doppelgänger conspiracy theory Adolf Hitler's deputy flew to Scotland in 1941 and was imprisoned for the rest of his life. But was the man in Spandau really Rudolf Hess? Now a DNA test has revealed the truth It is one of the greatest remaining conspiracy theories of the second world war. In May 1941, Adolf Hitler’s deputy führer, Rudolf Hess, flew solo from Germany to Scotland in an apparent attempt to broker a peace deal between Britain and Germany. Hess’s plan failed, and he was arrested in the UK. He was eventually tried at the military tribunals in Nuremberg and incarcerated in Spandau prison in Berlin, where he died in 1987. But from the start, there were doubts over whether the prisoner designated “Spandau #7” really was Hess. The wartime president of the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt, was one of the leading subscribers to the theory that the man in Spandau was an imposter, an idea perpetuated by a British doctor who worked at Spandau, W. Hugh Thomas. The UK government commissioned four investigations into the claims, but the “doppelgänger conspiracy” has persisted for 70 years. Had the real Rudolf Hess escaped justice and settled abroad? When the German government cremated Hess’s remains in 2011, it was thought the last chance to pursue DNA analysis of the body had been lost. Now the mystery has finally been solved by a piece of DNA detective work by a retired military doctor from the US Army and forensic scientists from Austria. They conclude that the prisoner known as Spandau #7 was indeed the Nazi criminal Rudolf Hess. The front and back of the blood sample, labelled “Spandau #7 PATHOLOGY SVC HEIDELBERG MEDDAC 1139” Hess has continued to generate historical interest. He was one of Hitler’s close friends and a leading Nazi politician, and then there’s the extraordinary manner of his attempted peace deal with the UK. After his death, his grave in the town of Wunsiedel became a Neo-Nazi rallying site, which in 2011 led the German authorities to exhume and cremate Hess’s body, scatter the ashes at sea, and destroy the grave. But not all of Hess’s DNA had been destroyed. During his incarceration in Spandau, Hess was monitored and cared for as was any other prisoner. Spandau was run by officials from the UK, France, the United States and the Soviet Union, who rotated duties each month. In 1982, a blood sample was taken from Hess by a US army doctor, Phillip Pittman, as part of a routine health check. A pathologist, Rick Wahl, mounted some of the blood on a microscope slide to perform a cell count. The slide was labelled “Spandau #7” and hermetically sealed, and kept by Wahl for teaching purposes at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC. In the mid-1990s, another US military doctor, Sherman McCall, was resident at the army hospital when he heard about the blood sample. “I first became aware of the existence of the Hess blood smear from a chance remark during my pathology residency at Walter Reed,” McCall told New Scientist. “I only became aware of the historical controversy a few years later.” McCall, who is trained in molecular pathology, immediately realised the slide’s potential for solving the Hess controversy. “Making it happen,” he says, “was another matter entirely.” McCall contacted Jan Cemper-Kiesslich, a molecular biologist in the DNA Unit at the department of legal medicine, University of Salzburg, Austria, and told him about the slide and the dried blood. Working under standard forensic DNA protocols, Cemper-Kiesslich’s team extracted DNA from the dried blood. Now they had to find a living male relative of Rudolf Hess to make a comparison. They got in touch with David Irving, a discredited British historian who has denied the Holocaust took place. Irving provided the phone number of Hess’s son, Wolf Rüdiger Hess. “In the event, this number was disconnected,” says McCall. “Unbeknownst to us, he had recently died.” Rudolf Hess photographed inside Spandau Prison Tracking down living Hess relatives took yet more time. “The family is very private,” says McCall. “The name is also rather common in Germany, so finding them was difficult.” But in the end, they managed it, and obtained DNA samples from a living male relative. The forensic DNA analysis centred on the Y chromosome, which is inherited only down the male line, and on a range of genetic markers across other parts of the genome. The male relative and another member of the Hess family have seen and approved of the publication of the DNA results, but do not want to take part in any further discussion of the findings. “It is already a matter of public record that Hess’s wife, Ilse, did not believe this story,” says McCall – she didn’t believe Spandau #7 was an imposter. When she met the British governor of Spandau on a visit, she joked: “How is the doppelgänger today?” Statistical analysis of the results suggests a 99.99 per cent likelihood that the blood sample on the slide comes from a close family member of the living relative of Hess, “strongly supporting the hypothesis”, Cemper-Kiesslich’s team report, “that prisoner ‘Spandau #7’ indeed was Rudolf Hess, the Deputy Führer of the Third Reich”. Citing the privacy of the Hess family, Cemper-Kiesslich declined to comment on their response to the results. We don’t know how the Hess family feels about the closure of the final chapter on the story of their infamous relative. “The conspiracy theory claiming that prisoner ‘Spandau #7’ was an impostor is extremely unlikely and therefore disproved,” the scientists write. In the paper, published in Forensic Science International Genetics, the authors go on to note: “Due to the lucky event of the presence of a biological trace sample originating from prisoner ‘Spandau #7’ the authors got the unique chance to shed new light on one of the most persistent historical memes of World War II history.” An assessment of the Hess DNA results is made more difficult by the ethical issues concerning his relatives, says Turi King, a geneticist at the University of Leicester, UK, who led the forensic examination of the last Plantagenet king of England, Richard III. The paper omits DNA details of Hess’s relative to prevent him being identified, but on the face of it, she says, it appears that the scientists have disproved the conspiracy theory. “They’ve got a perfect match with the Y chromosome and a living male Hess relative,” King says. “If this person was a doppelgänger, you wouldn’t get that match, so from that point of view it’s a good sign.” And Walther Parson, a forensic molecular biologist at Innsbruck Medical University in Austria, says: “The manuscript underwent review by two anonymous reviewers. I have no reason to assume that the data and science are not sound. I know the scientists are great.”
  2. What I meant was the photo is actually from the film, it's not a period photo but a still from the movie, if you look in these screen shots you can see the same barbed wire posts, the Germans wearing gas masks, also in the last photo you can see what look like tank traps,although I think just posts for the barbed wire at the top of the photo, same ones but from a slightly different angle.
  3. Just found the answer, it's from the film War Horse, very realistic though, and why there are no blood and guts from a bombardment or clutching of throats from a gas attack.
  4. Yes this is a scarce badge made in enamel with very few known to exist, unfortunately the one in the auction is a fake with the usual tell tale coffin type pin, I believe these fakes were made in Florida, here is an original.
  5. Hi Buster, these are postwar busts but still nice items as long as you did not pay too much for it.
  6. Slaughter House 5 is a very good film, I used to have it on Betamax back in the 1980's, it's on my to do list, to pick it back up again on DVD. It was written by Kurt Vonnegut who was actually captured during the Battle of the Bulge and taken to Dresden where he survived the bombing. These events were all true and based on Vonnegut's own life. The above clips from memory are most of the WW2 scenes in the film, with the story involving time travel, which I think was more to do with his post traumatic stress. It is a very good, if not strange film. Here is a better quality clip of the march into Dresden.
  7. That's a mad photo, and as you say the gasmasks don't seem to work, must have been terrifying for them.
  8. Interesting to see it in the German language, over here it was released as The Enemy Below. The 1966 Star Trek episode "Balance of Terror" is closely based on this film, with the USS Enterprise cast as the destroyer and the Romulan vessel, using a cloaking device, as the U-boat. It is reported that Gene Roddenberry later paid a fee to the estate of Gary Cooper, who owned the rights to the film.
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  10. Kershaw made good binoculars, MkII x 6 army issue like yours would have the webbing 37 pattern case. Here is a history of the company. A.KERSHAW AND SONS LTD., 76 Woodhouse Lane, Leeds, moved to large site in Harehills Lane, Leeds in 1916. Founded by Abraham Kershaw (1861-1929) in Leeds in 1888, manufacturing and repairing scientific equipment. During the Great War they were appointed to manufacture prismatic binoculars. They recruited three key workers from Carl Zeiss (London) Ltd. at Mill Hill. On 15 June 1916 the Company received an order for 25000 No 3 Mk I binoculars. The prisms were supplied by Barr and Stroud and the lens sets by Thomas Cooke and Son Ltd and Taylor, Taylor Hobson Ltd. Later Kershaw started manufacturing its own lenses. The Ministry considered they were generally better than those supplied by the other companies. By 29 December 1917, 5798 had been delivered. From 4 February 1918 not less than 50% of production was to be of Mk.II specification. Kershaw made binoculars of both Ross and Zeiss pattern construction. After the War Kershaw continued to manufacture binoculars for occasional military orders and for the commercial market. By 1930 their catalogue listed 26 models.
  11. It is a very strange story indeed, I also heard that Mikhail Gorbachev wanted to release Hess and that the British would not allow it, perhaps another reason for his death. There is also the other theory that the prisoner in Spandau was not even Rudolf Hess but a double, hence his strange behavior at his trial. Dr. Hugh Thomas who had been a physician at Spandau and had personally examined Hess closely said he first became suspicious when he examined Hess and could find no sign of the scarring that Hess’s World War I wounds would have left on his torso. According to Thomas, Hess’s medical records said that he had been shot through the left lung, the bullet entering just above the left armpit and exiting between the spine and left shoulder. Such a wound would have left a visible mark, but Thomas found none.
  12. Thanks Ian, talking of forums have you heard anything from Stewy? He seems to have vanished from the face of the earth?
  13. Hi Tom, It's just our own Facebook page, but posts from here get automatically posted there. Much better to ask your questions here as the answers get lost on FB, plus if they do get answered there I always post them here anyway. https://www.facebook.com/treasurebunker
  14. Thanks Ian, welcome to the forum, that's the problem the the FB page allot of members posts replies on the FB page and the original question goes unanswered. Good to have you on board
  15. Hi Tom, one of our FB members have just posted this reply for you. Sean Featherstone It’s a RASC Major’s BD blouse who had service in WW2. Salisbury Plain District. The last medal ribbon is a GSM most probably for Palestine 1945-48 or Malaya as these were the two closest conflicts to WW2
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  17. I don't think the truth will be known for a very long time regarding the Hess incident.
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  19. Merry Christmas everyone
  20. It could be from RAF Inverness built in 1940 which helped defend Scotland, Northern Ireland and Northern England, but not sure what the BVB would be.
  21. Hi Tommy, yes there certainly seems to be a cross on the insignia, maybe it is First Army?
  22. It does look like 8th Army with the yellow and white shield, I'm struggling to see a sword. Another possibility is that the shield was added by the photographer, I have seen this before especially with German photos when an Iron cross was added for example. If the badge was added by the photographer to denote his service in the 8th Army then perhaps this is why the scalloped top was left out. Here is a German officer with Knights Cross added, this was commonly done by the photographer to update photos they had of the recipient, when it would be too difficult to obtain an up to date photo with the new awards. You can also see this on photos of individuals who received awards but were killed shortly afterwards when a photo of them with the new award was never taken. So perhaps this relative sadly did not survive the war and fell when serving with the 8th Army.
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