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Here's one of my past friends who I had to let go!. It's a Smith & Wesson model 66-2 357 magnum. These where used by numerous police departments all over the world, including Norway,Germany and Australia to name a few, the model 66-2 was built on the K frame and is basically a model 19, but made in stainless steel. This particular gun came out of a police force in Holland (or so I was told) as surplus as new model guns where purchased

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Heres my next old long lost friend, its my FN made Uzi 9mm sub machine gun,The first Uzi was designed by Major Uziel Gal in the late 1940s. The prototype was finished in 1950. First introduced to IDF special forces in 1954, the weapon was placed into general issue two years later. The Uzi has found use as a personal defense weapon by rear-echelon troops, officers, artillery troops and tankers, as well as a frontline weapon by elite light infantry assault forces.

 

The Uzi has been exported to over 90 countries Over its service lifetime, it has been manufactured by Israel Military Industries, FN Herstal, and other manufacturers. From the 1960s through the 1980s, more Uzi submachine guns were sold to more military, law enforcement and security markets than any other submachine gun ever made.

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You should get yourself a nice MP40 before they get TOO expensive.

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I would love to have one, but in the uk they are already in there thousands! In fact I Sen one the other day for £3800,it was old spec deactivation ( all moving parts) but I couldn't justify spending that amount! Mrs buster would not be happy.

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That's understandable. I'm sorry I didn't get that nice one in the late 80s-early nineties, was offered to me for 400-450, as far as I remember. I would have had no problems with transporting, as I got a 1916 Kar98 shortly before for around that price. Too late now. At least you have a good Luger.

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Here's another of my past guns, it's a war time example that was refurbished & re dated post war and issued to Bulgarian forces.The Degtyaryov machine gun or DP is a light machine gun firing the 7.62×54mmR cartridge that was used primarily by the Soviet Union starting in 1928. The DP machine gun was supplemented in the 1950s by the more modern RPD machine gun and entirely replaced in Soviet service by the general purpose PK machine gun in the 1960s.

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Don't let the neighbours see it.

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This is one I don't have anymore and my neighbour is used to me lol :)

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Here's another old mate, its a type 56/ AK47 made by norinco of china! And China being the largest manufacturer of AK type rifles in the world.

 

The AK-47, or AK as it is officially known (also known as the Kalashnikov)is a selective-fire (semi-automatic and automatic), gas-operated 7.62×39 mm assault rifle, developed in the Soviet Union by Mikhail Kalashnikov

 

Design work on the AK-47 began in the last year of World War II (1945). In 1946, the AK-47 was presented for official military trials, and in 1948, the fixed-stock version was introduced into active service with selected units of the Soviet Army. An early development of the design was the AKS (SSkladnoy or "folding"), which was equipped with an underfolding metal shoulder stock. On the 30.05.1949, the AK-47 was officially accepted by the Soviet Armed Forces and used by the majority of the member states of the Warsaw Pact.

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This is the Hungarian AMD65 and one of my favourite ak rifles, as its very lightweight and very easy to strip. The amd is a licensed variant of the venerable AKM rifle for use by that nation's armored infantry and paratrooper ("descent") units. The rifle's design is suited for outdoor use as an infantry rifle but can also be used from within the confines of an armored vehicle as a fire support weapon. This is possible due to the side-folding stock of shaft design that makes it more compact. The 12.6-inch barrel is also relatively short for the 7.62×39mm cartridge. The operating mechanism does not require a gas expansion chamber at the muzzle, as in the AKS-74U to ensure reliable functioning, but does use a specially designed muzzle brake. It reduces muzzle flash but makes the weapon louder.

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Here's the last of my AK type old pals, this is the Yugoslav M72 light machine gun,it was dated 1989 so tied in with the balkan conflict. The Zastava M72 was developed and manufactured by then Yugoslav Zastava Arms company.Generally the M72 is almost a direct copy of the Soviet RPK light machine gun, the only visual differences being the barrel, wooden stock, no side rail mount and a slightly different handguard.

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This was my Czech CZ52 Cold War pistol dated 1954,its around the same size & weight as a 1911, but fires the same round as the TT33 Tokarov.

 

The CZ 52 pistol is a roller-locked short recoil-operated, detachable box magazine-fed, single-action, semi-automatic pistol chambered for the 7.62×25mm Tokarev cartridge (the gun was originally designed for 9 mm Luger caliber but due to political pressures had to be redesigned for the Soviet then standard pistol cartridge). It weighs approximately two pounds unloaded. Military models feature either a parkerized finish or a gray oxide coating, while some CZ 52s were arsenal reblued in the 1970s. These re-finished guns are usually marked as such.

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Here's another old pal of mine,, its an FN BAR model D, I didn't have this long as I hadn't any room for it.in fact it was the second one of these I have owned.As can be seen this one's is in un issued condition

 

 

The FN Browning Automatic Rifle model D, often referred to simply as FN Model D or FN Type D or just FN D was an ultimate step in evolution of the Model 1930 Browning Automatic Rifle, as built by FN, which, in turn, was an iproved version of the US M1918 BAR. The D stands for Demontable, which means quick-detachable barrel. The Model D appeared in around 1932, with the key improvement being the quick-detachable barrel and simplified disassembly procedure (achieved by hinging the buttstock to the receiver at the top and making the pistol grip / trigger unit easily removable). The barrel lock was placed on the right side, in front of the receiver, and the barrel was fitted with a folding carrying handle. In Belgian service, FN D machine guns were often issued with special sustained fire tripods of folding design, with traverse and elevation mechanisms. The FN D was manufactured in a variety of calibers, and since 1957 a number of FN D machine guns was converted to 7.62x51 NATO caliber for Belgian Army. This version was known as FN D A1 and utilized FN FAL rifle magazines.

The basic functioning of the FN D is same as of US M1918 BAR, with certain differences in trigger unit, sights, stock layout and, most important, addition of the quick-detachable barrel and different, more rapid disassembly / reassembly procedure.

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This was my sterling L2A1 sub machine gun, or to star wars fans a blasteck E11 storm trooper blaster. My brother nearly wet himself when he seen it in my collection and within a minute had it striped to bits! He hed used then in northern Ireland when in the RHF.

 

In 1954 the British Army replaced its aging STEN submachine gun with the Sterling L2A1. Designed by George Patchett the chief designer at the Sterling Armaments Company (who had produced the Lanchester submachine gun) near the end of World War Two. It was known at the time as the Patchett submachine gun and was tested by the British Army in 1944.

 

 

In 1947 a trial of variouS SMG was held with various weapons from BSA, Enfield and Sterling being tested against the STEN. By the early 1950s the Sterling design had been chosen and production began.

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Jings,I didn't realize I had sold so many guns ! This was my Polish pm63 rak and its dated 1975, it was old spec and looked un issued, great wee gun to play with :).

 

 

PM-63 submachine gun is quite interesting weapon, which is better described by its native name PistoletMaszynowy wz.63 (machine pistol model of 1963). Indeed, it has layout of a large pistol, and can be fired single-handedly like any other pistol. On theother hand, PM-63 had folding buttstock and frontal grip (also folding), and had selective-fire capability. Furthermore, while it has a pistol-like slide which is integral with breechblock, it fires from open bolt, much like most submachine guns.

PM-63 has been designed by famous Polish gun designer Peter Wilniewczycby 1963. First issued to Polish special forces in 1965, it also gained a name of RAK (Reczny Automat Komandosow - Commando hand held automatic [weapon]).Other than special elements of Polish army, PM-63 also was used by East German police

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This was my walther P1 police issued pistol, it is basically a post war version of the wartime P38, but with an alloy frame , this was a stand in until I managed to get a nice p38 . I had arranged to buy this from from a guy in person, so was to meet him in a lidl carpark in dalry , what I didn't expect was him to walk towards my car holding up a Smith & Wesson pistol case giving me the thumbs up! Was defo a dodgy looking meeting lol

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This was another of my past deacts! It's a Scorpion VZ61 machine pistol, this was another great little gun to play with, although I much preferred the PM63 RAK I posted a few days ago. Both come issued with holsters and 3 mags, cleaning kit / rod.

 

The skorpion was developed in the late 1950s by Miroslav Rybář with the working name "model 59". The design was finalized in 1961 and named "Samopal Vz. 61". It was subsequently adopted by the Czechoslovak Army and security forces, and later exported to various countries. Yugoslavia produced a version under license. It was also used by armed groups,[4] including the Irish Republican Army, Irish National Liberation Army and the Italian Red Brigades. The latter used the korpion in the 1978 kidnapping of Aldo Moro . In the 1990s the Gang de Roubaix used the korpion in a series of attacks in France. And where also used in the ill fated Iranian embassy siege

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I wish I had never parted with this, its an Uzi pistol! Not to be confused with the mini or micro Uzi, albeit The same size of the latter,as can be seen it was in mint condition and still in its case with booklet and accessories.

 

The Uzi Pistol is a semi-automatic, closed bolt, and blowback-operated pistol variant. Its muzzle velocity is 345 m/s. It is a Micro Uzi with no shoulder stock or full-automatic firing capability. The intended users of the pistol are various security agencies in need of a high-capacity semi-automatic pistol, or civilian shooters who want a gun with those qualities and the familiarity of the Uzi style. It was introduced in 1984 and produced until 1993.

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Here's another I was sorry to see going. This was my Beretta model 81,or as the Americans call it " the cheetah" ;), this was a stunning pistol,the bluing was perfect deep black, the ambidextrous safety and trigger was a deep plumb colour, and the grips a highly polished walnut with brass beretta medalions set in them.. In fact I would go as far as saying it was one of the nicest pistols i owned, the fit & finish is outstanding but more to the point It could hold 12 rounds in the mag & one up the pipe, very unusual for such a small pistol.

 

The Beretta Cheetah, also known by its original model name of "Series 81", was a line of compact blowback operated semi-automatic pistols designed and manufactured by Beretta of Italy. They were introduced in 1976 and fired the 32acp round ( among others depending on model)

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I think this might be the last old friend, this was my manurihn / walther PPK and was chambered for the 7.65 mm round. it was manufactured under licence by manurihn for walther in 1955, and considering its age its a mint condition pistol, as can be seen from the pics it had a mirror finish to the blueing.I only parted with this one after acquiring my october 1939 Zella Mehlis manufactured model.

 

Walther's original factory was located in Zella-Mehlis in the state (Land) of Thuringia, in present-day eastern Germany which was occupied by the Soviet Union following World War II, Walther established a new factory in Ulm. However, for several years following the war, the Allied powers forbade any manufacture of weapons in Germany. As a result, in 1952, Walther licensed production of the PPk series pistols to Manurhin who manufactured the PPk series until 1986. In fact, all postwar European-made PPk series pistols manufactured until 1986 were manufactured by Manurhin, even though the pistol slide may bear the markings of the Walther factory in Ulm.

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What an endless collection of weapons! I didn't know that Manhurin had licence manufactured for Walther postwar. I always thought that these had been made at Ulm. Even some of the authorities earlier had used pistols like this, the PPK, which was originally designed for police use and having a low calibre and low stopping power for obvious reasons. Surely the Bundeswehr P1 (new designation for the P.38) was manufactured at Ulm? This has since been replaced by other models. For quite some time, the police in Hamburg, etc. (who now wear hideous American gangster-style uniforms), had been using a high calbre American made and designed (and ugly) Bulldog Revolver, which is noted for it's expansion projectiles, "dum-dum", which are banned by international War Law (Kriegsrecht), as these maim. These have since been replaced by some sort of automatic, which has an electronic safety device, preventing misuse, but still uses "illegal" munition.

I have had also quite a number of de-activateds, but mostly rifles. The only "pistols" I had so far, were, in my school days and for a number of years after, a WW2 Walther flare pistol in Aluminium, which was a nice object, and an old French or Belgian folding trigger pinfire pocket revolver, which with a defect spring and cocking, had been derusted, with some slight pitting.

Otherwise, I had two very nice French WW1 rifles - a Lebel M.1886/93 and a 1916 Berthier, as well as the carbine. Also had a nice No.1 Mk.III from BSA, 1917, a 1939 K98, a Boer War M.96 Mauser from DWM, mint, a very nice Prussian M.1809 musket with bayonet, converted to percussion 1834/43, you can see this under the said section.

I still have an original French An.13 cavalry pistol, ca.1808, a French M.1777, shortened, a 1937 K.98, a 1914 Spandau marked Gew.98, and an Erfurt Kar 98a, 1916

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(((Surely the Bundeswehr P1 (new designation for the P.38) was manufactured at Ulm?)))

 

Well Fritz, that's exactly what I have always thought but can't find any information to the contrary, as my post war P1 was walther marked, but with no address german or french. If anyone has any information to on this issue it would be great. All those guns i have listed in this thread are ones i sold as i wanted to concentrate mostly on pre 1945.

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That's what I would do, pre-1945, more historic. Still a good start though.

By the way, with your WW1 Iron Cross, could the markings possibly be S.W. or S.&W.(?) That would be Sy & Wagner, Berlin, and if otherwise W, being Wilm.

There were many different makers involved. Much info can be found in internet.

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Thanks Fritz, i am fast running out of room, as Mrs buster will only allow me to keep my guns in my gun cupboard and out of reach of prying eyes or small hands ;). I dont have room for any more long guns so have mostly pistols, i think I have 20 deacts now.

 

Here is more info on the post war P1 manufacturing .

 

In the American zone, all captured German weapons were destroyed, except for a few P38s, and the police units were equipped with the small arms of the U.S. Army. In 1949, the American, British, and French zones were united as the Federal Republic of Germany, and a new military force was authorized and formed in 1956.

 

By 1957, the P38 was accepted and World War II-era pistols were cannibalized and rebuilt, with the swastika defaced and the pistols refinished. By the middle of the 1950s, German police units were issued new P38 pistols with aluminum alloy frames that were manufactured by Walther at Ulm-Donau.

 

The Walther factory was completely destroyed by the end of World War II, and the Red Army confiscated all of the machinery. Escaping to the west, the Walther family established a modest facility in Ulm- on the Danube River in the early 1950s.

 

Fritz Walther secured a contract with the newly reestablished Bundeswehr for 100,000 so-called P1 (Pistole 1) in 1954. It was the standard sidearm of the Bundeswehr until at least 1994. Commercial sales commenced in 1957, and production by Manurhin in France also began that year.

 

P.S...FRITZ

 

it's definatly an M or W , there's another mark that might be an L but not sure as its very unclear.

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more likely a W than an M. Sometimes the mark was not accurately stamped, which can be frequently seen.

I was shown privately many years ago by somebody, a Bundeswehr P.1 - it was even loaded. The "owner" told me he had "lost it" on a Bundeswehr manoeuvre, and had to sign a declaration that the weapon was lost, and after a fruitless search, nothing turned up. He did this with the intention of keeping it. Which was rather risky, as the possession, along with ammunition, was illegal. I remember it had definitely a postwar date, and possibly the mark "P.1". I advised him that was risky, but he assured me, as long as nobody knew, it was safe. Never heard from him since, I'm sure he still has the gun. I have even heard that weapons were produced under allied supervision till well after July 1945. The allies stored many weapons, and many of these landed as export in third world countries. The Bundesgrenzschutz recieved these weapons (K.98) after their formation in the early 1950s, and these came from France, captured stocks, at a price of 1000 DM apiece, which had been handled out between the West German and French Governments - extortionate prices! Also the East German Betriebskampfgruppen used these weapons from Russian stocks for quite some time. The modern Sturmgewehr 43 and 44 were examined with great interest by the Allies, but nobody used them. The Kalaschnikow was based on their design, being practicly a Russian copy.

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