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what was it james coburn said in cross of iron

 

i'll show you where the iron crosses grow?

knowing me thats more than likely misquoted. i'm waiting in hope that some one will upload a picture of their KC

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I assume the 1914 non-combatants is a replacement ribbon? If so, is there provenance for it having an original ribbon once?

 

Reason asking is I quite like the non combatant ribbons, I have a 1870/71 war medal in steel for non-combatants and it is nice bc in steel you know it was issued as such (brass went to troops). With only the ribbon different I'd like to think an Iron Cross did go to a non-combatant, but if replaced feel there is always the high likelihood a dealer switched the ribbons to add value to an item that never had that purpose.

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I assume the 1914 non-combatants is a replacement ribbon? If so, is there provenance for it having an original ribbon once?

 

Reason asking is I quite like the non combatant ribbons, I have a 1870/71 war medal in steel for non-combatants and it is nice bc in steel you know it was issued as such (brass went to troops). With only the ribbon different I'd like to think an Iron Cross did go to a non-combatant, but if replaced feel there is always the high likelihood a dealer switched the ribbons to add value to an item that never had that purpose.

 

 

genuine piece of ribbon, don't know if it was replaced in the past thats the way i purchased from kenny.

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genuine piece of ribbon, don't know if it was replaced in the past thats the way i purchased from kenny.

 

ahhh THAT non combatant iron cross from kenny! you beat me to him for it way back!

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even the most innocent looking items???? it truly is a mine field

 

The most common items will be most faked... look at it this way, a bottle cap is cheap and easy to produce by the thousands. Flood the market with them, make them cheap that you'll buy one thinking it may be legit, make a killing and have something like a bottle cap that is semi believable and it slowly slips into the collecting world it could be real and they start becoming collectors search for, raising prices... the perfect con for collectors

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what was it james coburn said in cross of iron

 

i'll show you where the iron crosses grow?

knowing me thats more than likely misquoted. i'm waiting in hope that some one will upload a picture of their KC

 

Here it is.

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Very nice Mr B, Iv'e only ever come across one before if I remember correctly doesn't the Swastika move slightly

upwards if pushed with the thumb.

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Here it is.

 

 

absolutely beautiful piece i could look at this all day.

one day mate, going to copy your pics if you don't mind , a nice thing to aim for ;)

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wow... I think this is a collectors dream of owning! Stunning medal Mr. B

Some fetch more than what my Jeep is worth at the moment :o

You are incredibly lucky to own one of these, i can only sit here and stare at your's, I will never own a real one in my life :(

 

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absolutely beautiful piece i could look at this all day.

one day mate, going to copy your pics if you don't mind , a nice thing to aim for ;)

 

 

Feel free to use the pics and thank you for everyones kind comments.

 

The recipiant of my rk was SS Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Polizei Curt von Gottberg.

Award date 30-6-1944.

The maker of the RK is KQ 800 65.

 

Gottberg committed suicide on May 9th 1945 as he would have been given a death sentence at his trial for his anti partisan activities.

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:o

 

Nice medal. A great crowning piece to a collection.

 

Nice to know its history, a high ranking officer. At least he realised and admitted his guilt by his action on 9/5. What unit(s) was he attached to or in command of?

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Nice medal. A great crowning piece to a collection.

 

Nice to know its history, a high ranking officer. At least he realised and admitted his guilt by his action on 9/5. What unit(s) was he attached to or in command of?

 

 

SS Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Polizei (1944), second highist rank in the German Riech under Himmler. In charge of Kampfgruppe. Von. Gottberg, would

have a representative from polizei, gestapo, consentration camps deaths head units waffen-ss ,security services ect.

He was Deputy SSPF Ruthenia ( Belarus Nov 1942 ), from the summer of 1941 Belarus was occupied by the German Army. The German occupation resulted in

great material destruction, and the death of 25% of the population, including almost the entire jewish population of the country.

Belarus was from 1941 the cornerstone of Soviet Partisan Warfare against the German occupiers, to more than 1,000 Partisan groups. By the end of 1943 the

country was conquered by the Red Army, and by the summer of 1944 was fully exempt from German occupation.

 

Special battalion SS Dirlewanger, and the Kaminski Brigade were part of Kampfgruppe. Von. Gottberg,

 

The Kaminski Brigade ( known as the 29th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division.

consisted of the SS Grenadier Regiment 72 (Russian 1)

SS " " " 73 (Russian 2 )

SS " " " 74 (Russian 3 )

SS Artillery Regiment 29 (Russian 1 )

SS Fusilier Battalion 29

SS Engineer Battalion 29

SS Tank Destroyer Div 29

SS Division News 29

SS Supply Regiment 29

SS Veterinary Comp 29

SS Medical Comp 29

SS Field Replacement Battalion 29.

 

The Special Battalion Dirlewanger..........Became in Feb 1945 the 36th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division.

consisting of the.........Waffen-SS Grenadier Regiment 72

" SS " " " 73

SS Artillery Division 36

SS Fusilier Company 36

SS Company News 36

 

Army Troops

Pioneer Brigade 687

Grenadier Regiment 1244

Heavy Panzerjager-Abteilung 681

Panzer Division 1 Stahnsdorf.

 

Curt. Von Gottberg. became HSSPF ( Central Russia 5th July 43 - 7th August 44.

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Here's a couple of photo's.

 

1st photo of Kaminski in 1944.

 

2nd photo of members of the waffen-SS including soldiers of the Special Battalion Dirlewanger in Warsaw.

 

 

 

Both the Kaminski Brigade and the Dirlewanger Battalion were sent to help put down the Warsaw uprising.post-3823-0-18298200-1349451141_thumb.jpgpost-3823-0-38705200-1349451158_thumb.jpg

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SS Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Polizei (1944), second highist rank in the German Riech under Himmler. In charge of Kampfgruppe. Von. Gottberg, would

have a representative from polizei, gestapo, consentration camps deaths head units waffen-ss ,security services ect.

He was Deputy SSPF Ruthenia ( Belarus Nov 1942 ), from the summer of 1941 Belarus was occupied by the German Army. The German occupation resulted in

great material destruction, and the death of 25% of the population, including almost the entire jewish population of the country.

Belarus was from 1941 the cornerstone of Soviet Partisan Warfare against the German occupiers, to more than 1,000 Partisan groups. By the end of 1943 the

country was conquered by the Red Army, and by the summer of 1944 was fully exempt from German occupation.

 

Special battalion SS Dirlewanger, and the Kaminski Brigade were part of Kampfgruppe. Von. Gottberg,

 

The Kaminski Brigade ( known as the 29th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division.

consisted of the SS Grenadier Regiment 72 (Russian 1)

SS " " " 73 (Russian 2 )

SS " " " 74 (Russian 3 )

SS Artillery Regiment 29 (Russian 1 )

SS Fusilier Battalion 29

SS Engineer Battalion 29

SS Tank Destroyer Div 29

SS Division News 29

SS Supply Regiment 29

SS Veterinary Comp 29

SS Medical Comp 29

SS Field Replacement Battalion 29.

 

The Special Battalion Dirlewanger..........Became in Feb 1945 the 36th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division.

consisting of the.........Waffen-SS Grenadier Regiment 72

" SS " " " 73

SS Artillery Division 36

SS Fusilier Company 36

SS Company News 36

 

Army Troops

Pioneer Brigade 687

Grenadier Regiment 1244

Heavy Panzerjager-Abteilung 681

Panzer Division 1 Stahnsdorf.

 

Curt. Von Gottberg. became HSSPF ( Central Russia 5th July 43 - 7th August 44.

 

Cheers leon, meant to get round to putting the info up but never got round to it. :thumbsup:

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A customer was in on Saturday with his Knights Cross swords and Oakleaves , never handled one with Oakleaves before, I think Richard took a photo of it, will try to get hold of the picture :)

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Here is the picture of the Knights Cross which a customer showed us a few weeks ago and Richard took the photo of,also his pilots badge.

 

 

 

 

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Very nice, would like to see close up to find out the maker :thumbsup: . Oaks with swords would have liked to have seen them not many around, Pilot's badge also are they all from the same recipiant ?

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Hi Scott, sorry that is the only photo we have , but here is a picture of him wearing it.

 

Major Erich Rudorffer, born 1 November 1917 is a German former Luftwaffe fighter ace, one of a handful who served with the Luftwaffe through the whole of World War II.He is the 7th most successful fighter pilot in the history of air warfare, and currently both the oldest jet fighter ace, and the most

successful ace still living. Rudorffer claimed a total of 222 victories,fighting in all the major German theaters of war, including the European and Mediterranean Theatre of Operations and the Eastern Front. During the war he flew more than 1000 combat missions, was engaged in aerial combat over 300 times, was shot down by flak and enemy fighters 16 times and had to take to his parachute 9 times. His 222 aerial victories include 58 heavily armoured Il-2 Sturmovik ground attack aircraft. He was also responsible for sinking a British submarine.

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Here, is the best I can do to get a bigger picture :thumbsup: both the badge and cross belonged to Rudorffer.

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A nice example of an Imperial German Godet Iron Cross First class

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Very pretty Kenny... I've got a second class wwi... If I had the spare cash I'd love a 1870/71 cross!

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